Pioneering Identity in the Web3 World & Alpha from ETH Denver

Discover the electrifying world of web3 domains and digital identity with us, where we navigate the twists and turns of this dynamic landscape alongside Collectxr, a web3 enthusiast whose journey from Solana meme coins to the latest web3 innovations offers an invaluable roadmap. Collector's tale of a lucrative airdrop from the Farcaster app and the awe-inspiring capabilities of platforms like NOTO and the collaborative WebUnited project will leave you poised at the edge of your seat, ready to claim your stake in the digital realm.

We're not just talking about the future; we're living it, exploring the resilience of meme cryptocurrencies and the strategic intricacies of web3 domain investment. You'll gain insights into the financial savvy of non-renewable domains, how to navigate fluctuating gas fees, and the importance of tuning into the likes of injective protocols and ordinals that are reshaping the investment game. This episode is your ticket to understanding the complex dynamics that drive the ecosystem of digital domains and how to emerge as a visionary investor in this ever-evolving space.

As we close, dive into the legal whirlpools of community rights with the Sturgis Rally Incorporated case and how it shapes digital identity, and join us for an insider's view of the thrilling auction scene in partnership with GBM. With vivid tales from ETH Denver and strategic pointers on how to thrive in the web3 domain auction space, you'll be equipped to engage with the community like never before. So gear up for a ride through the fascinating intersections of technology, identity, and investment—where every listener becomes a pioneer of the digital frontier.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Tech Talk Space Introduction and Recap
• 6:42 Exploring Web3 Ecosystem Updates
• 20:34 Top Coins and Naming Protocols
• 27:50 Web 3 Domain Investment Strategies
• 42:47 Understanding Ecosystems and Digital Domains
• 52:30 The Future of Domain Names
• 1:04:50 Sturgis and Web 3 Extension Opportunities
• 1:14:26 Web 3.0 Integration Ideas and Opportunities
• 1:28:41 Auction Talking and Denver Recap
• 1:32:54 Transition to Workcast for Future Growth
• 1:44:15 Auction Talk

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Thank you you.

Speaker 2: 1:04

You, hello, hello, going to get started in just a moment. There's usually a little bit of background music, but my Twitter fingers were working too fast, so sorry for the silence, but we will get started in just a moment. As you begin to enter the space, if you could, please do me a favor. As always, like retweet, share it out. Let's get as many people in here as possible and, as always, if you invite to request a sneak peek, feel free to hop on up. I'll get you. Good morning, good morning, how you doing? Collector.

Speaker 1: 2:31

What's good sir. I was about to say happy Friday, but I realized it's a Tuesday, because normally we speak on Fridays, but I guess we speak on Tuesdays as well now, so Jim.

Speaker 2: 2:41

Yeah, jim, I guess, twisted up from each member, wanted to do spaces, spaces, kind of early in the week to get everybody caught up on how the experience went and you know kind of some of the things I learned from there. But yeah, thank you for coming on. Yeah, how's your day been?

Speaker 1: 3:03

I actually just rescheduled the call to be on the space, sir, so 100% degen and with you. Thank you for the far caster alpha If you guys haven't heard of, I know there isn't even that many people in the space right now, but this is a recorded space, so if you're listening to this on YouTube, spotify, I don't even know where else this is going to be. If you haven't checked out far caster, definitely like hit up when I heart domains, he's like being checking out this far caster platform, like the depths of him thinking he does a space on it, like last week, right?

Speaker 2: 3:41

Yeah, it was actually just a couple of weeks ago. That are pretty detailed spaces on it. Yeah, I've been trying to share that out.

Speaker 1: 3:48

Yeah, just in case anyone's missed it, make sure to definitely check that out. Like no social fire has managed to take off yet and this could be the one, because it's not actually being built as a social fire, like token airdrop kind of thing. Definitely check that out. I feel like you had a busy week in East Denver and stuff.

Speaker 2: 4:09

Yeah, there was a lot to take away from it, and quite a bit of it is actually about far caster because, as you said, I mean a lot of the times we're short-sighted when it comes to platforms, and most platforms are here. You know premium car rugs, but every now and then you get one that's really about its stuff, one that people are really using to build, and if you're tired of missing out on some of those plays that you keep reading about, you owe it to yourself to pay attention to caster and, like I said, kind of towards the end of the space, I'll make it really evident as to why. Yeah, I'm actually going to go ahead and get started so we can jump on it and get rolling you cool with that, sir.

Speaker 1: 5:00

Let's go, let's run it. Guys, before Wendel gets started, make sure to retweet, comment like, retweet, you know all that stuff. Share it into your groups. This is a recorded space, obviously, but there will be a lot of alpha. If you guys want to come up on stage, just send Wendel a request and I'm sure he'll get you up on as well. But yeah, like, yeah, feel free to get into it, man.

Speaker 2: 5:25

Yes, sir, yes sir, I appreciate it. Well, yeah, thank you for joining in this space. I'd like to welcome to I heart domains and our tech talk spaces. We discussed news, innovations, education and business and the way through domain technology and digital identity space. We one stop platform to discover, learn, grow and trade in the web. Three domains and digital identity space. Focus on education and business and development.

Speaker 2: 5:54

We are here for the long haul and you should be, as always, our tech talks. So you can view our content archive at I heart domains dot com, where you'll see it not only in the recorded form you can listen to it right on the website, but you'll also see a blog recap as well. So kind of get to enjoying a few different ways, and also in podcast form on every major podcast player, including Apple and Spotify, and super easy to find all of our episodes at tech talk dot host. Once again, as you guys are coming into the space, if you could please show us a little bit of love like retweet, leave a comment, tell us what your bullish on. And, yeah, again, if you want to come up on the stage and speak, feel free to request a speaker roll Before we get deep into it into it. I do want to give collector a chance to say a couple words introduce yourself, go for it, sir.

Speaker 1: 6:52

I think I'm the new when psychic, so I come up on when spaces. I feel the background noise I mean the I'm had me when came across from like domains and we've like gone deep into the depths of like web free from like domains. The Solana meme coins to this farcaster stuff to like what's now going to be developed further on obviously all the advancements with domains. That's still like the core of our conversations.

Speaker 1: 7:24

Air drop farming a little bit just like a web free Degen I'm pretty sure a lot of people in here know me by now but yeah, just like a all round web free Degen, not Maxi in anything by any means. Very diversified and I'm always looking to learn more, always looking to like see what the recent alpha is. When just landed me a four figure air drop just by like clicking a few buttons on this far farcaster apps are very, very bullish on that. And yeah, man here to learn here to Hank, I think you always come up with alpha because you're networking with so many people online in different spaces and different conventions. In the last month, like BAFTAs, if Denver like that's just more than like a web free Degen and stuff and I'm glad to like be I don't know, I guess part of this journey with you.

Speaker 2: 8:18

Yeah, bro, that's love and I'm definitely glad that you've been the journey and that we continue to build on this journey together. You already know how to outflot and got from you so of his vice versa, and you're one of the few people so crazy.

Speaker 1: 8:34

How like? No, I was just going to say it's so crazy off everyone that I met through like the free name ecosystem. I met a guy called when I dropped like what the hell like? What's the chances of that?

Speaker 2: 8:45

It was meant to be, sir. Our day is supposed to come soon. I think it's just beginning. Actually, one of the things I was going to talk about it's an air drop I just found out I'm getting. But right before we get into that, I was going to say that you're. Most people know me kind of in one light, but you're one of the few people who know exactly how diversified I am. Like you know, I got some Degen, so it's fun to have the diversified and open minded conversations.

Speaker 1: 9:13

I go into like the Salana Degen groups and I see when in there. I'm like what the hell is when doing in here, like how did you get in here? He's like, yep, I'm multi chain baby. I just had a thousand opportunities on it bro.

Speaker 2: 9:34

But yeah, but, yeah, yeah, yeah, without further ado, I'm actually going to touch briefly on some opening news before we get started. Hopefully we don't go too long with this space, but really depends on you know how much we dive into it. Yeah, first piece of opening news I don't know, I have noticed, but freenameio. Their entire team is currently out at I can't in Puerto Rico, and they just debuted their no toe platform and we've been speaking about this for quite some time.

Speaker 2: 10:07

I've actually only experienced with no toe kind of on the base test layer, but it's a come to find out. It's a much bigger platform with a lot more utility that can empower developers. And then I think I even understand, but at its base and that's all I can explain it on it allows you to resolve your web three domains in your browser. Basically, it allows you to change the native DNS settings at your computer and it allows you to switch those DNS settings to resolve, you know, web three domains and not just and it's no toe was one of those things and kind of one of those things that I've been saying about freename, you know, kind of this whole time is that they're building a lot of ecosystem tools and not just freename utility. So no toe, apparently is built to work with not only freename domains, but also unstoppable domains and DNS domains, as well as handshake domains and probably anybody that they, you know, partner with or integrate with.

Speaker 2: 11:10

So keep an eye on that. If you're a developer, you'll you'll likely understand what no toe is a lot more than I do, but it's awesome.

Speaker 1: 11:18

They debuted it there and I can't talking about it, so it's definitely a tool that they've reached a gap between that and the thing that you're saying about like the, the tools for like other ecosystem. It's rare to see that like one player in this industry building something that others can use as well, like a lot of them have like very closed off ecosystems and stuff. I'm not flooding any of them. I've got like domains across from like most ecosystem and stuff. But generally like when people are building updates, it's for like their direct community, not for their competitors community as well, which is what freename have essentially built with this no toe protocol as well. Like it's very, I guess, open source and open ended and has, like all the competitors in mind, even if they don't want to use it, and stuff like the company might not want to use it by the community might see benefit to it and that options now there.

Speaker 2: 12:15

Yeah, and that's because I mean they don't see the rest of the ecosystem as competitors. They see the ecosystem as the ecosystem and they're building for it. And slowly but surely, most of us will get to that point, even the ones that don't get to that point. I mean, if you go outside and look to your left and right, diversity makes the world what it is. So everybody doesn't have to love each other, everyone doesn't have to build for each other. But I do commend freename for doing this case with no toe and then also definitely looking forward to Web United as well, because that's completely different there. And yeah, so kudos to freename on that. Same travels with all the team that's out there in Puerto Rico. I know Page went out there as well. I just saw Elia, nora and Freddie out in Denver. So, yeah, good stuff for that.

Speaker 2: 13:08

Another piece of news I'm going to touch on super briefly that I really have zero information to add about. I just know that it happened. In case you're bullish on this ecosystem D3, which is like a beast in, and I can't even probably do the proper credit of describing what they are, but they're basically a behemoth in this space with, I think, in the web to space. They just partnered with with Shiva even, I mean, I guess launch dot ship. So their registrations open today for that. So anybody that's on the ecosystem, if you haven't seen that new jet, feel free to again do your own research. I didn't post the link for it, but I'll post one in a little bit, or I'll send it out to my groups. What's the price?

Speaker 1: 14:01

on it. What's the price in these? Don't ship to me.

Speaker 2: 14:06

I have no clue. So I went to look a little bit earlier. To be completely honest, I don't really have a desire for a doctor, although I did get offered 69% interesting number. So I did go to take and it didn't load for me when I was going to take a look as soon as they launch. So it could have been due to overload or something. But I'll look again. Have no clue. Again, d y or it being launched by a company called D3. Firstly, first of all, welcome ishman, and second of all, not to put too much pressure on the stage, but you obviously know more about D than I do. You want to kind of drop in and tell us a little bit at launch.

Speaker 3: 14:48

Hey, what's up, Jim guys? What was the question about? Who?

Speaker 2: 14:53

D3. So I don't know if you know that they launched the the dot ship extension of day for registrations.

Speaker 3: 15:00

No, that's news to me. I just know D3 because I worked with Shyam, was one of the co founders and Fred spoke at Domain Expo. But I haven't honestly followed up a lot of what they're doing. I know that they're adequately funded and that's like an all star roster because Shyam I met him when I was doing some consultant work for uniregistry when they were selling a bunch of CLDs and he was Frank Shilin's right hand man. Frank Shilin is one of the most successful domain investors in history. He sold his portfolio to go daddy for hundreds of millions of dollars and he sold a couple of extensions including dot hip hop, dot link, dot click and several others at an auction. And so Shyam was working with Frank and when they launched D3 I reached out to Shyam. He then connected me with Fred, who showed up at the conference and spoke. But I haven't really honestly followed or tracked what they're doing. But I know they're going to do great stuff because those guys are like legends in the space.

Speaker 2: 16:22

Yeah, and I'm.

Speaker 2: 16:25

I'm glad you were able to say all that because I know that you knew a lot about the credibility behind them themselves, and so, obviously, everybody again do your own research. One of the things that I do believe that they said they were intended to do with this extension I believe they said that they were going to try to take it all the way to ICANN. So that's one thing to definitely take in consideration. But, looking at it, so again they launched dot ship. It was a couple of hours ago. Have no clue on the pricing I got it.

Speaker 3: 16:57

What is it? What again? Don't what, I'm sorry. What ship like for Shiva, you know? Oh, that ship got it, got it, got it, got it.

Speaker 3: 17:06

Yeah, I think that's becoming a trend where we're seeing even unstoppable mention that that is the trajectory they're foreseen for the pudgy where, with the upcoming ICANN round, people are taking Web 3 COD's that are DNS forward. When I say DNS forward, I mean dot X will be DNS forward. Neither is dot ETH, because it's been reserved for as a country code for Ethiopia and they're expecting to at least have a shot to take this to ICANN and get ICANN's approval to make them DNS compatible. So in the future we might see a crypto resolving on the regular browser Pudgy or dot unstoppable.

Speaker 1: 17:50

That's what we were talking about with the free name notoprotocol Like interesting what they're building. So these web freeze will then be able to resolve through like a free name DNS that you just update to. And I was going to say it's really don't see these domain news anymore. He's chasing the airdrop, alpha, come on.

Speaker 3: 18:09

I'm still very, very much involved with domains. The airdrops are just a way I feel like, and even it applies to domains, like you know, at the spaces that I have, what unstoppable. I asked Matt if UD was going to do an airdrop and he said you know, I mean not to quote him, but he alluded that that was possible in the right way to a climate.

Speaker 1: 18:33

Well, I think that was it like 69 million airdrop of credits and stuff.

Speaker 2: 18:39

That was huge, yeah, but he's talking about a potential token, something that, something that you could take to an exchange. It is a form of an airdrop.

Speaker 3: 18:46

It is a form of an airdrop, you know an airdrop is essentially a way or mechanisms to reward early adopters of your community. So it's not necessarily just crypto. It could be other things, like when the board Apes came out, the very first airdrop they did was, you know, fucking Saturday, when they said fucking and then people got the mutin Apes and then the mutin Apes went up to six figures. That was an airdrop, you know. So I think you know, in this space, especially with the Web 3 side of it, airdrops are going to be a critical part of what incentivizes people to adapt.

Speaker 3: 19:28

You know, extensions, like I think what you need is doing is a form of an airdrop given away free domain names, because when you think about the opportunity cost, you know what was the other option.

Speaker 3: 19:38

You have to go pay at least five dollars a year. So to me, that's a form of a reward on airdrop. So, yeah, I think it's all in its mind. But I mean, I'm excited about this room because I've just seen this headlines. I haven't really had a chance to dive into what NoDo was, and now I'm learning about the Dutch sheep extension, which I think is brilliant because a lot of people use sheep, and it aligns with what I've been saying, which is you know you have to stay informed to understand when this new opportunity is to present themselves, because it really is an opportunity. No matter how you feel or how emotionally connected you are to your bags, other people are going to feel the same, like they're people that love sheep are. You know, like sheep are just went up 300% this week, so you can't tell me that they don't have a strong community.

Speaker 1: 20:32

That's going to be bullish. Pepe, sheep are doge bonk like chunky, like memes, like Pepe and sheep are top 10 coins right now, like that's the magnitude of it right now just right now Crazy right, like Cardano, above ICP, above like Avax maybe not Avax, but like, above all, these like top coins. Sheep and doge are sitting there in the top 10 coins right now, with like 60 billion market cap between them or something. It's insane.

Speaker 3: 21:02

With a very high upside. Very high upside because we're looking at what doge do.

Speaker 1: 21:06

Yeah, like it's crazy, like they're nowhere near all time highs either either of them.

Speaker 2: 21:11

Pepe, you bring that meme cause. You said collector on fire. This is, this is his happy place.

Speaker 2: 21:17

This is the sweet spot, but I did want to mention on the airdrops thing, to kind of actually literally and again, nothing I say is ever financial advice but there is an actual domain extension out there that gets you actual airdrops. It is the dot ZKF extension that was launched by space ID. It stands for the ZK Fair. It is on their blockchain. If you hold any of their domains, anything that was launched on the ZK Fair launchpad you actually get a share of an airdrop from every single one of those projects of doting to airdrops thus far. And, yeah, they promise to give airdrops from the ecosystem for the entire year. So again, do your own research, but, yes, some domains actually do give you airdrops.

Speaker 3: 22:02

Yeah, and I think you know we're gonna see a lot more Dutch sheba type extensions. We're gonna see a lot more To these with an intense to become I can compatible. Because why not? Right, if you have a chance to Take a dark crypto Through the I can process, it only adds value to that extension and I think it's a smart way to lunch because you already have an existing community. So it's simply a matter of just upgrading that community versus starting from scratch. And for CLD's in the I can space, you know we've seen the likes of box, you know easily springs up to 2,000 registrations from nothing because of the web 3 functionality. So I think you know web 3 at its core will enhance web 2 and and that's beautiful to watch.

Speaker 3: 22:57

You know, and you know I can't help but state that, with all these Appreciation going on cryptic encrypto, bitcoin in all time eyes, well, yet to see a trick or down effect on dog eith names, and I sort of like I've been Explaining that this is what's going to happen and a lot of people, you know, viewed me as the prophet of doom or whatever, because it was so obvious. It's like, you know, when the liquidity comes, people are not going to go out there and Make the same mistakes they made a couple of years ago. It's not just the e things. You're seeing Ethereum, nfts Taking a sort of getting host right now because there's a new alpha. You know it's now meme coins and ordinals and and that's where the liquidity is flowing. So sometimes you know people you know get so emotional and expect things to work out the way where they've planted their, their bags or and, and instead of going with what's so obvious and I think what's obvious right now is, you know, with with the dilution, with all these other naming protocols that Emerging there's less and less of a need for a dot eith name.

Speaker 3: 24:11

Now I'm not saying dot eith is dead, I'm just saying that I don't expect it to have the same Unique positioning that had last at the last bull run, at the end of the last bull run, when you know it was like the only relevant naming service. You know, arguably, in web 3. Right now you have other naming services that are, you know, realistic options and with different economics that end users will consider. Some of them are looking for no renewals. Some of them are looking for cheaper renewals. If they, they're okay with renewals. Some of them want to own their own CLD's. Some of them are now going to say, well, I want an extension that I feel like has a chance to resolve in a browser one day, and some of them are gonna look for the ones that are gonna put them in a position to Claim an airdrop, like or like what already happened with ENS.

Speaker 1: 25:07

So you know, it's a more competitive field and subsequently that's going to impact the value of don't eat things that non renewal aspect is so important, like when, unstoppable first bought that out and then, like you're like fuck, like I don't have to every year. Like try and keep up with their renewal fees, the feet, the price might increase, and all this. That was a game changer. Free name integrated that. Bonn, fida integrated that. And like the non renewal aspect doesn't even matter about cheaper renewals because, like you might forget and like you might not have enough, like point zero, zero, one, e, f, at a time that you have to like renew it to Get that domain and someone might take your grail and shit.

Speaker 1: 25:48

But the non renewal aspect really like embeds into web free, cool your early, you own this Chalice. Like no, no, no further to that. And like you know, when you said the airdrop for Was it zk something, dot art as well, you forgot to mention that one. You can stake the domains that exist in web, two domains and stake him in a web Free format and stuff. That was an alpha that you gave me like months ago. They even know if that's still running and stuff or oh no, that's still Hopefully.

Speaker 2: 26:22

Hopefully, one day it'll bounce back and become some alpha.

Speaker 1: 26:26

But yeah, well that, at least the thought, the thought of, it was nice I.

Speaker 3: 26:31

Think the biggest, I think the big For what three domains in my opinion is pricing. I think that's what's going to really Give different naming protocols and edge. You know it's funny because we launched a dot pay pay naming service a couple of months back, about a year ago, and it was fought it to death like oh, it's a scam and and it's this and it's that, and it was kind of like that's when I started realizing I'm dealing with a bunch of fucking cult members here because technically it's on the anus protocol, right, and the idea was, you know you could get Two letters and single letters and you know we expected the paper will increase, like it's done right now. I believe there were 160 to 200,000 wallets out there, the whole pay pay. And you know the idea was the same way, people love it there I'm, some people love paper and it was built by a company called Cortex.

Speaker 3: 27:29

I was an advisor for them and you know it was just Massively foot it and I just told that team I was like you know what you might want to hold off on this till the right climate. So I'm gonna reach out to them and say look, let's try to Relunch that, because now I think people, after another year plus for paying renewals, understand what that idea was was. Do you want to keep paying renewals? And you know this disguise that the renewals are as low as five dollars is a myth, because I don't know. Lately, and this is how it is. The bull run. The gas fees are just insane, like gas right now is 129.

Speaker 2: 28:08

Not fire week.

Speaker 3: 28:10

It's wild, it's like, you want to pay that five dollar renewal and now you're looking at a 75 dollar bill. You know I'm saying like that. That is not sustainable, right.

Speaker 1: 28:21

This is the alpha and you guys can use this as financial advice or whatever. My name is collector. I'm gonna give you the alpha right now on non renewable domains. First, let's start with some easy ones. On an Unstoppable, like okay, cool, you've got your dot. If you got whatever, you've secured your bags there. If you want to renew them, renew them. If you don't want to Renew them, go to unstoppable. Get like a dot crypto, a dot wallet, dot ex, a dot, go Whatever else, a dot Bitcoin. If you want to go a little bit more creative, head over to free nameio. Pick your own SLD, pick your own TLD. Build a SLD on an existing TLD. Be creative that way. Also dot sold as well.

Speaker 1: 29:01

A lot of the EVM guys don't look at that soul. It's just like a whole different Ecosystem, whole different wallet. Now now does more and more integration. So if you have a metamask wallet, you should have a phantom wallet. On phantom. You can now also store Bitcoin, matic and Ethereum as well, so you can also do some of the EVM stuff that you're used to doing.

Speaker 1: 29:21

That side of the fence, you could mint a dot sold domain for $20 Any general word $20. That's like the fixed floor price. If you want to have like one or two emojis, that might be like five, six hundred dollars. But then here is like the Djan alpha, where you're not gonna hear this anywhere else, probably even Bonn feeder. They even know how to hunt their own domains like this shit. So go to magic Eden like the NFT marketplace again, that's cross chain, the Matic Bitcoin, ethereum, solana, look for like the Bonn feeder.

Speaker 1: 29:52

One thing that's different between Bonn feeder domains, the dot sold domains, and Unstoppable dot ETH and free name, is that they actually have a floor price. All of these other ones don't have a Floor price because there's so many of them and they're all like less than like one dollar or whatever. I know that the unstoppable and free name are definitely like that. With the dot sold ones, the floor is about ten dollars For just like any random, like word or any letter and stuff. But then you can pick up Like grails, for example, that would normally cost you like seven hundred dollars just to mint, because it's like a two-free letter domain. You could pick them up for like less than a hundred dollars and again with these ones they're non-renewable. So take that as financial advice a little bit into like domains, go multi-chain. They recently Went crush.

Speaker 2: 30:41

Yeah, just to remind everybody. Please don't take anything that says on the space is fine.

Speaker 1: 30:45

I am especially collecting a green Arab frog as a PFP. You should definitely take it as a financial advice. But they recently the bon feeder recently went cross-chain with injective as well. So that's like a whole different chain and everything. They made that partnership. But if you guys are bullish on domains, you're looking at ETH, you look at ETH, you're looking at unstoppable. You might have a little bit in handshake and free name Definitely looking these ones as well, especially with the non-renewal factor and the fact that there is a floor and you could even actively trade like two free letter domains for like five, five to ten soul, which is, I don't know, 600 to 1200 dollars or something. So there's an active floor on these as well. That's just a little bit like alpha that you guys might have like overlooked.

Speaker 2: 31:36

Yes sir, yes sir, for those who got a little DJ in you. Okay, Collector's actually a good person to follow. He'll put you on a quite a few plays. So, like I said, you just go for a while. Now I've listened to some of you have to be.

Speaker 1: 31:51

That's the, that's the key element. If you play it like in like a week or two, I can't like, I don't know, I can't guarantee that, but I'm talking about here and now when I talk shit.

Speaker 3: 32:02

Thank you for you, know I want to say this too you know we have to speak about the psychology of domain and right, and what I mean by that is when you study Domainers, of any Class or any error, you'll notice that there's always a resistance to change right. There's always that I'm right and You're wrong Ideology. And I think it's very typical of the domain investing world, where people pick a side because there's so many options Right, there's so many CLD's. And then when you look in web 3, it's the same similar scenario where people are like Mine is the best and yours is inferior, right, and people speak to each other. They agree with each other because you know there's that bias, but the reality is the winners of the people that remain flexible in Web 3. Look look at what's happening in web 3. How many people here own oh no, all the walls? Very few of us do. The ones that took action. They're eating right now like I, right me, sir me. You know I'm saying like I snubbed it.

Speaker 3: 33:14

Like talking about you're gonna trade names on the spread.

Speaker 1: 33:18

That's how the fuck like you have to adapt play. As soon as someone said ordinals and like how it was like a domain guy and he was like in the free name group but he was like like an outcast and stuff and it was really like hard to speak to this guy. For some reason he liked me and he gave me like the whole breakdown on like bitmaps. Like I'm talking like March or something March April. Whenever they came out last year I was like all right, cool, it kind of makes sense if like domains or digital assets anywhere on the blockchain because you own like a combination of letters which makes a word cool, this like random number sequence and shit as well, will make sense for someone. Bitmaps minted for free for like $5 gas gas fee per transaction. 800,000 of these went in like the space of ladder and I four or five days and now the floor sitting around 300 dollars. Like that's the maths, thank you go for this really.

Speaker 1: 34:18

No issue is you gave up off to the originals alpha.

Speaker 3: 34:25

No, I was just saying that it's important, such as staying form, so that you can pivot and At least you know plant seeds and immersion trends. You know because you never know what's gonna take off. You never know what's going to be Upsolete, right, and I personally Wish that I was more flexible, like I'm sitting here right now and I looked at my E&S portfolio, which is reducing every day. I have less than 400 names at at its height, at 800 names, and I've let almost half of my names expired. That's a big waste of money, right? Have I sold some names? Yeah, mostly at a loss. So it's like that's capital that could have been deployed into other things, right, and now I'm looking at my E&S names and I have a list of some of the best ones and, you know, I don't know if they're gonna sell, right, and it's not like you can really necessarily outbound E&S names. So it's, it's, it's, it's stock capital, it's, it's, it's, you know, it's a liquid.

Speaker 1: 35:22

You know, like what you say, like you technically, you haven't like you still diversified because you might be doing more in one Sector that ever someone else isn't like, for example, with like as active that I am, with airdrops, like I've seen, like your stories and stuff on, like instance stuff, and I feel like I'm missing out on some of the airdrops that you're here and stuff and like web-free, there's so much going on and like as much as you want to diversify, there's limited time. You have to learn shit. You have to like, remember.

Speaker 3: 35:48

Yeah, but you still, you still need liquidity. Yeah, you need money, right? The more you diversify, the more you're when you're, when your money's stuck in and and you know, two summers that goes alpha, and there's an emerging alpha right now. You don't have, you know, you don't have enough dry powder to go to war.

Speaker 3: 36:09

Right, so and then here's the thing I observe what else is going on, like I look at my buddy, what's his name? Bachelor, firmly mofo. He's had names he's listed for like point oh one, and no one is buying them. And it's an indication that you know, no one knows about this shit. Like the people that were buying dot eat names. They're kind of like all know each other. It's like an echo chamber of people buying and high-fiving each other and you know, at some point, collectively, the liquidity is gonna dry out and until their new integrations meaningful integration is not all the subdomains through another Dex or whatever right, or the subdomains through Uniswap or you know, until their meaningful integrations, that on board People, like what I mean by a meaningful integration is not oh go, daddy now allows you to take a calm and make it. You know that's good for ens and if you've noticed ens, the token is flying. It's over $30. Now, as I predicted, I was like the real play is the ens token, it's not the ens names, it's not the dot eat names, because these integrations are going to benefit them. And so you know, I think I've been riding a few things. I don't. I'm not saying I'm perfect, but these observations are based on my experience and just looking at things objectively, right, it's like, okay, well, there's no play here for dot eat names. They're pushing ens integrations left and right. What's gonna? What's the? What's the benefit? The benefit is ens token is gonna appreciate, which they've positioned themselves to benefit from, right, you know, as stakeholders, and so they don't give a shit about dot eat names. Go up or down To them. That's like man, that was a little. That was a phase that we have to go through to guess where we are. We're moving forward. And then you have poor souls on Twitter bashing people, wanting them like yo listen, holding until they make meaningful integrations and meaningful adjustments. Like, okay, you know what, to make up for the dilution, we're now going to offer a cheaper renewal. Oh, we're gonna have an L2 solution, things like that. I was gonna move the needle forward.

Speaker 3: 38:18

But business as usual with dot eat is a death wish, in my opinion, because I don't see people buying them and I'm very suspicious about the sales that I see. A lot of them are wash rates in my observation. Allegedly, let's put that right. Allegedly, yeah, so I don't know what's going on, but I think when you look at the whole landscape of domain in dot eat is becoming less and less relevant and I'm seeing more opportunities with emerging web 3 alternatives and DNS names. Right, dot AI comes and I'll go in anywhere. I'm still seeing sales of those type of names. I'm not really seeing anything promising coming from dog either. Like sees, stagnation and the same people you know. High-fiving, mediocre, mediocre practices From dad means well.

Speaker 2: 39:19

Can you guys hear me Speaking of meaningful integrations? Another meaningful integration that was actually just announced today was actually from Unstoppable, who was not giving up and letting that lack of a metamask resolution integration hold them back. They actually just integrated MoonPay so that you can use your Unstoppable domain to buy and sell cryptocurrency, which, yeah, like I said, creating that type of utility. People will use it and people will adopt it and use it as a benefit and they will build with it and they won't. They'll use it to empower their ability to choose. So kudos to them for continuing to build and thinking outside the box and not letting these limitations hold them back. Kudos to anybody that's building in that same direction.

Speaker 3: 40:09

And I have to add this the reason they're not a metamask is not their own doing. It's because they've been prevented from integrating with Metaverse. It's an aggressive, defensive move by E&S to prevent them from integrating a metamask and, regardless of that, you've got to give them kudos to building around that. Is it a limitation? I would say so. But this is why we need to come together as an industry and develop protocols and discuss things like collusion and have industry standards. This is why, when people say decentralization, I consider it a myth, because when you have a group that's preventing another group from integrating with Metamask, to me that's the centralizes it gets. And when you have a group that you need 100,000 E&S tokens, which is now valued at what is it? $3 million to propose a vote that is as centralized and as cabalish and as clickish as it gets. And so I'm just. I'm stating these things because, even though I have a dog in a fight, I want dog eats to do. Well, I own way more dog eat names. I think I own maybe three or four unstoppable names. I own hundreds of dog eat names and you know, foolishly, I wish I knew better, right? I wish I was as objective as I am right now.

Speaker 3: 41:52

It's been a hell shithole of an investment, and I'm not saying this to be pessimistic. I'm saying this because I hope things can be fixed, because there's an opportunity to fix things. It's simple empathy, like, okay, we have a community of people that were our early adopters that without them, won't be where we are right now. What are we going to do to appease that demographic? It's a simple human thing, right? Okay, what can we do in a meaningful way to appease those that demographic? And what's been done is insults and disregard and ignoring and attacks and just acting like there's no issue here. Right, it's unfortunate.

Speaker 2: 42:44

Yeah, it is unfortunate. I think, as I said in one of your other spaces, I kind of got a better understanding of why the environment may be the way it is and it's set up to be productive, maybe in a way that we don't understand. I understand it doesn't make it right, but we can certainly have that conversation because that's not something. I'm not trying to be on a bad list, shout out to ENS, but we definitely had that convo, but I have a better understanding of things or the way it is with them as an ecosystem.

Speaker 2: 43:19

I did want to touch on something and kind of the point that you're making well, it is the point that you're making and something that Collector was saying about like being diversified, thinking outside the box, being open-minded. The point that Collector had just brought up was about I forgot what his name is, but this dude I mean he was begging us in the group to pay attention to ordinals before anyone was ever talking about it and we all faded. This guy I don't know if he's man, but I'm quite sure except you right I'm quite sure he's got a bag of Bitcoin somewhere, because I mean he was inscribing things and trying to onboard us onto Bitcoin forever.

Speaker 1: 44:00

I mean not just the fucking community as a whole. He was switching at like the devs, like why are you not taking this seriously? How you like fading this right now they're like, bro, you can't just throw in a whole like blockchain and just tell us to like y'all like work on this and like he was well, yeah, I remember those conversations, seeing them.

Speaker 2: 44:19

My point is is that, even to understand something, we are in a space where we should understand that we aren't going to understand. And as long as it ain't going to still money on you, you can always put maybe a coin or two over there, for nowhere it might turn out. Now, luckily for me, I ignored this dude, but there were some projects that I belonged to that sent me some free keys when they merged over to Bitcoin that never had any value. I was never able to trade any of these NFTs. I didn't, because they just qualified me for a room stone.

Speaker 1: 44:55

And that's how the ecosystem works, if you partake it will reward you just to like give like some what's it called light on the room stone that you just mentioned. That's going at like $1,500 per room stone on the pre market right now. Like I think it's just going to be like one or two per wallet or something. I don't think they're going to go crazy with like the distribution. That's one, yeah, so this would. That's the new thing and like I was actually just going to say about like kind of rewind and what both you and Ishmael have said, like overall, about like domains and like all the different endings and all the different routes that we can take to go into this domains just aren't cool. Like the average age of like the domain or is, like I don't know, late 30s to like early 40s, maybe even like up to like 50s and stuff. It's generally like no, I'm just spitting facts and shit Like generally like male, not the truth, male dominated like in terms of like domain investors. I'm probably like one of the youngest that is like active in this space and I'm like I don't know, a good like 10 years like younger than when. I'm not even like fading in. I'm just saying like like page. I don't know if you guys have come across like page how and stuff.

Speaker 1: 46:05

I think he's like in his fifties and stuff and he's so passionate about web free domains because this guy's been an icon guy since like the nineties and shit, before any of us go into domains. This guy's been flipping six, seven figure domains and stuff and now he's given up completely on web two and he's 100 100% bullish on like specifically like free name, like domains and like he's going around with like free name and stuff. He's at the icon like or is it the icon conference and like Puerto Rico or something right now with like free name to like build this like bridge from web two to web three with this non renewables only a TLD. He was like he was trying to buy a TLD through icon for like how many years? Like 15 years or something, and they were quoting him like 200 grand and like these crazy prices.

Speaker 1: 46:53

And then, like he discovered free name, he's like holy shit, I can own my own TLD, I can trademark it, I can use it like whatever. Like, for example, like when's got the domain when airdrop, so when that as a whole is like the SLD, so when airdrop reaches the SLD and then the TLD itself is airdrop, the airdrops are big word. Like Apple owns, it is big in crypto and free name owned the trademark to dot airdrop as a web free TLD or whether, like asset classes in, they own that so legally, dot airdrop can be accepted as like a TLD. And I didn't even know that unstoppable, having these problems with like MetaMask and stuff I never actually fought that unstoppable domain doesn't resolve a MetaMask. I just always assumed that it did.

Speaker 2: 47:41

That's crazy that someone you never tried to use your domain.

Speaker 1: 47:45

My domains are mainly being parked, to be fair, like they're just sitting there, nice, they look nice, like I'm sure someone else will want these later for a large speculation. So now I haven't actually like used the full utility of my like domains. I think the name collector, just like I just collected them and Halas, they sit there.

Speaker 3: 48:07

And if I could add to what you just said about unstoppable domains, even though they're just sitting there, I think you know now that I'm looking at this from analytical perspective, they could be the winner, like if it's really a race because there's no renewal, there's absolutely no renewal, like what's the right name, then you go one, nothing to worry about and they're still building, they're still adding integrations or they're at the eye, can meaning right now and trying to develop the relationships.

Speaker 3: 48:39

I'll make these names become Web two domains in the future. You know they're taking all the heat and you know I like to roof on the dogs. You know what I mean. I'm starting to look at unstoppable in a different light. You know, if you look at this stuff maturely and say, ok, you know what? Yeah, ok, this is where my bags are, but what has that done for my bottom line? Right, and then you look at someone who has an unstoppable name and now we're going from the bear market to the bull market. They don't have to worry about market right.

Speaker 3: 49:15

They just have good names and as long as they're meaningful buildouts and integrations, those names are just going to keep adding more, getting more value.

Speaker 3: 49:27

And hopefully the same thing happens with the eat names. That's what I would love to see, but I just don't see anything happening with the eat names. All I see with the eat names is dilution. All I see with the NS Dow is all their moves are geared towards making an S token spike and that's working for them, and it's just 30 dollars right now. It's going to be a hundred dollars at some point and they're not going to change a damn thing about the eat because they don't need to. They found another play, which is the token, which they can produce more of every year. So you don't have to be a genius to look at this and say, okay, this is what's going on here.

Speaker 1: 50:05

Wait. So the E&S token has no limit.

Speaker 3: 50:09

They can constitutionally make more every year.

Speaker 1: 50:12

But you know what the crazy thing is? Ethereum, solana and a few other big layer ones are built like that as well, with unlimited supply, like if you guys go into coin market.

Speaker 3: 50:20

Yeah, but Ethereum is deflationary.

Speaker 1: 50:22

But you know, if it's going in unlimited supply, okay, the wireless active is deflationary but they could always be printed more. If you go into coin market cap, there will be an infinity symbol next to the max supply of Solana Ethereum. I think XRP has got a total supply. Hwi is obviously Bitcoin does. I was actually just going to run it back to what you were saying about the underdog. I don't see unstoppable as the underdog. They're already like a giant in the space and stuff. They're enough. They've still got obstacles and stuff in the way. Their route is pretty much defined because they've taken all the legal elements. They've got large communities and stuff behind them. They've got millions of active users. So I don't see them as the underdog. But what you're saying about the non renewables and everything Free name is the underdog in that sense.

Speaker 1: 51:11

Free name allows you to own your own TLDs. With unstoppable your limits to like 8 or 10 TLDs or whatever Free name, you actually have the creativity to own your own. You can even trade, market and stuff through them as well. So you legally own them. And they've specifically not touched any like ICANN TLDs. They didn't want to piss off ICANN and stuff. So every single ICANN TLD, all like 800 or whatever there are. There isn't any single free name user, even like free name itself, that are allowed to park on those names and they're active as well. So if ICANN introduced a new name, boom, that name gets taken off and stuff, like that's an underdog and stuff. And the fact that they're building like interoperable tools for like the whole web free ecosystem, the building bridges between web 2 and web 3, like they're really positioning themselves to be like a top player this year, into the coming years, and stuff, and again like what you were saying, that people don't need to worry about like their bags going up and down because it's there.

Speaker 3: 52:14

Well, I mean, I think it's a different model. You know what I mean. It's almost like owning a car versus a car dealership, so you're going to have less people interested in owning a car dealership versus owning a vehicle. It's just two different narratives.

Speaker 1: 52:27

Why do you see?

Speaker 3: 52:27

it's a different model. Yeah, it's a different model. I'm looking at a website called DID Hub and it says that there are 104,674 free name domains. I don't know if that means CLDs or includes SLDs as well, probably just SLDs, right? And it's saying there are 8,251 owners, right? So it's very, very much in its infancy Unstoppable domains.

Speaker 3: 52:55

What I mean by underdog is in terms of sentiments, right, you know the overall web 3 space is super bullish on decentralization. Unstoppable, as you know, is a well known centralized entity. You know where the CEO is, you know that they're VC backed, but you know, at the end of the day, bro, like I have to give them credit in terms of, okay, they're very transparent in terms of marketing. They're very transparent in terms of you know what I mean like, they're rolling out CLDs. They're not making excuses about it, they're not trying to force one CLD, and you know they're monetizing by innovating, right, they're not saying, oh, we need renewals to be able to build an ecosystem, because I don't think ENS Dow gives a fuck about renewals anymore. Do you know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah, they're going to make money from renewals, but if their reliance was just a renewal, then they're going about it the wrong way, because people are dumping these names, right, they are more interested in the ENS token, appreciating the value. That's the reality of it. That's how they monetize at this point Is they have their own native token, which is the ENS token, which was supposed to be a governance token, but they've been selling them, right? They're documenting cases of them making millions of dollars selling ENS tokens. But that's out there. Making money is by selling the tokens that they have. Right, so they don't care about renewals. Renewals are cool. To them, it's just another revenue stream, because if they relied on renewals, they would have made the necessary adjustments to keep that dot eth name thriving. But what they've done is just diluted it. It's like something is on fire and you pouring water on it.

Speaker 3: 54:55

To me, what is your intention? What is your objective? Right? There's nothing wrong with Uniswap giving away free subdomains. There's nothing wrong with Coinbase giving out 4 million CBID subdomains. But how does this benefit your native CLD? Does that make sense what I'm saying? What is the agenda? And so people don't dive in deep enough. They just look at things on the surface level. What's going to happen is those people go daddy, they're going to discover dot eth. Well, that isn't being the case, right, if you look at unstoppable domains in the last 30 days, you know they've added dot purge, they've announced that they're working on taking dot purge and some of their extensions All the way to ICANN to get approval as web two domains extensions, you know. Ens, on the other hand, has been diluting dot eth, and all these moves are benefiting the ENS tokens. So I think, from an investment perspective, you're better off investing in the ENS token. I wish I was a mechanism where you could trade in your ENS names for ENS tokens, even out of this.

Speaker 2: 56:08

And you know they used to show. I forgot which portfolio tracker I used to use, but it used to show my ENS domains as a token value and for a while I thought that you could burn them for ENS tokens. That would actually be a good mechanism to set up and again, without going too much into it and you're absolutely Like turning your names to the dial.

Speaker 2: 56:32

Yeah, exactly, without going into it. You're absolutely right. The best way from, like I said, an observer from the outside looking in, that I can kind of describe it Is the relationship between, like I said, the protocol and the product, kind of the same ways I've been describing, like WarCaster, as FarCaster being the platform, the protocol, decentralized thing everyone could build on, and then the product being WarCaster. I think you're seeing kind of the same dynamic with ENS and dot eth, and please don't, if I'm saying it wrong, please anybody who's listening don't take me the wrong way like I said, just outside observing looking in, but your protocol being ENS, the product being dot eth, they're focused on building out the protocol so that you know it kind of is the bigger picture, I assume, at least to them, and they figure you know you kind of already have the product and it's up to you to build the value on it, so that that, like I said, that's the observation and for a lot of people obviously that's unfortunate because you know you were under the understanding that the development will remain focused on the product, making the product continuously better without diluting it. But hey, you never know.

Speaker 2: 57:48

I will say this thing, though, you know, and obviously I went from this bubble to a conference. That's just a whole another bubble, but at least within that bubble saw a whole lot of proud people rocking their dot eth. So at least from my OG identity there, there always is going to be value in the names. How that value is continuing. It continues to be brought to those names. I mean, lord knows I'm not building on that ecosystem. Quite a few people are, though, so we'll see how that one pans out and go for it. I see you've got your. Oh, if you want to go for just really, I was gonna add this.

Speaker 3: 58:29

ENS token appreciated 28 29% in the last day, 29% appreciation in the past day. What is the appreciation of the dot e things? We don't know. Let's just leave you the loan. It's that's people are feeling that individually is my point, right? So If you have a token that's appreciating 29% and you own, you know you have 12 people that own the majority of the tokens. That is their focus, right?

Speaker 3: 59:03

All these moves that they've made are Increasing the value of the ENS Protocol, quote-unquote, right, but it's not trickling down to their native decentralized killer app, which is supposed to be dot e things. And, and, if anything, those are the, the people Funding all this with the renewals. Those are the bag owners at this point, and I hate to say that I'm one of those and I can't wish to. I Wish that there was a way to liquidate them, but there's no demand for them, and I'm saying this from a perspective of watching people like Listener names of point, oh, one like bachelor did, and no one still buys them. Right, it's, it's it. And these are not bad names either, but We'll see. It's just a very interesting observation that the ENS token is going crazy and Eat names of stagnant at best. I.

Speaker 2: 1:00:00

Think that there will always be a developer culture. As we get more developers into this space, developers will always. You know what? I'm not actually just saying this because I'm making this up my opinion. It was set out loud During even there by somebody that when they see it, dot e, it's kind of it's that's, who Kind of immediately identifies with it and says, okay, yeah, that's what I want. Because they said that most developers integrate E&S into their platforms in some way, shape, form or fashion. So what's the developers identity? If nothing else, if it becomes that, it will at least still be that.

Speaker 2: 1:00:37

And yes, you're not going to see the trickle down effect economically from them continuously deluding the the ecosystem, if we choose to use that word. But what you will see is a trickle down effect in development, because all the things that they're funding is is to develop the ecosystem, and the ecosystem Essentially I mean he, the dot e's names are the ecosystem. They'll work with whatever is being developed under it. So they'll continuously get better because the development will be what will happen and, like I said, as a developer ecosystem continues to build, they're always going to desire a dot e's even if no one else is. So there's your niche right. It's kind of just understanding that and marketing towards that. I.

Speaker 4: 1:01:20

Think it's been really interesting to see you know the aspect from Newer people.

Speaker 4: 1:01:27

You know, all of us here understand it more than someone that's never, ever Understood a web 2 domain or a web 3 domain, and it's been interesting when I, you know, present all of the extensions from different companies to people and to see their reaction. You know, I mean that that, to me, is kind of one of the roadmaps that describes to everyone what's about to happen, because the better we can integrate the whole world through web 5, which web 2 plus web 3 equals web 5. You know, then everybody wins. I don't own any dot e's, I don't own a single one. I don't own anything that has renewals, except for my, my dot com, my genetics company, and so at the same time, though, I want, you know, all of web 2 to still do good. I want dot e's to be successful, not necessarily for the owners, because I don't like nothing that they're doing from what I see. I also don't think I know enough and I don't like to pass too much judgment without knowing every tiny little bit, but I want them to do good because of their holders, you know, and I've had people even be honing to me over it, but I kind of think, right, I know where they're coming from. If I had those bags and seen all that was going on, that would be, I would feel in the same position. You know I I don't like renewals.

Speaker 4: 1:02:50

A lot of people have heard my story before and I definitely gonna get into it again. But I I am. I'm the kind of person that simply, at the end of the year, life's been tough more than once and I don't want no surprises and I like to put all chips in. I've really put all chips in into unstoppable domains and free name and I kind of clicked in because I wanted to hop in and talk about Free name and the difference. The last time we were talking and you know Matt was on there, I asked him if he was. You know I explained that I would love the ability to buy, you know, top extensions like free name has at unstoppable. I Tend to ask the tough questions sometimes and I could kind of just hear it in his voice where, you know, I wonder if more people have asked you.

Speaker 2: 1:03:47

You ask Matt if you can set up the TLD over there.

Speaker 4: 1:03:50

Well, no, just if he was gonna start to sell them like free name, because I mentioned it to free name at one point and so I was just kind of joking around. I says, well, wow, when, if unstoppable gets in on this, then that would be really interesting.

Speaker 4: 1:04:03

And the reason why I see, they did well, just being able to sell multitudes of you know top-level domains to people, just like, you know, free name and handshake is, and I hadn't seen that integration where you can go in and buy you know your own Extension. And that's that's why I asked it. And the reason why is, you know, free name here's. Here's one of the big differences Okay, free name, the thing that really what I had already bought some free name and I have a lot going on. I'm a geneticist of. I have a lot of other stuff going on. So at the same time, once I kind of dug in, I realized, wait a second, you can turn these private or public. That's huge. That's so huge that this is how I'll describe that.

Speaker 4: 1:04:50

I Followed a court case for ten years very diligently in the Black Hills involving Sturgis. There's a company called Sturgis rally incorporated that went in and and Trademarks the name. There was a ten-year-long court case that went on and the judge ruled in the favor of the people. And when he ruled in the favor of the people, he said everybody owns Sturgis. Sturgis makes a billion dollars in 10 days every year. A Hundred million dollars a day in the first ten days of August. This is the reason why I have been so adamant about this. Years ago I was gonna.

Speaker 4: 1:05:33

You know, I talked to some investors down in Sturgis about registering, you know, the extension through ICANN and Nobody understood what the hell I was talking about. And all these people had money and I really tried to break it down for them. But people are scared of anything digital, anything connected to crypto and anything that is. You know that they don't understand, and so I had a bunch of other things happen where Prices went up on me. Once I explained to them to that they didn't want to get involved. It scared everybody away.

Speaker 4: 1:06:07

And so what happens is when free name came out and I bought this extension, which I danced up and down because it should have been a hundred thousand dollars, because, well, it makes a billion dollars in ten days. So but at the same time, I I didn't understand you could turn this from public to private. So here's what happened. Right, I literally was sitting there thinking I have to go buy all these very important you know SLD's and you know, basically, I Was. You know, because I understand what motorcycles is worth, for instance. Motorcycles. Calm is worth a lot of money, but at Sturgis, the only thing possibly better in the whole world is motorcycles, sturgis and, and the reason why is because if you've ever been there and understand all the people in the area and stuff, it's, it's really deep. You know, that rally is like 85 years old or don't call me, it's over 80 some years old and I would.

Speaker 2: 1:07:09

I don't mean to interrupt you. I would say the value is comparable if they did the same thing. Now, I mean, I'm not. I'm not knocking the development capability of the people who are trying to make these resolve like web, two domains and we'll get somewhere will certainly be creative. That will do. Devs will always dev, but calm, natively works a certain way and people understand how it works. A child could build a website. It takes a mathematician and a rocket scientist to figure out how to make one of these show up on your phone. So we're.

Speaker 2: 1:07:45

It's a little different of an asset now, and that's why I continuously keep reminding everyone is we can go about this two different ways. Right, we can continue to Go head up against the wall, trying to prove our value against this other asset, pretending to be the same thing. Or we can and you can still do that right. Like I said, eventually the technology may catch up that makes them like on par I mean, I don't know that might happen. Or you can embrace them for what they are right, what they are good at, which is digital identity, and start trying to find not only just use cases but clients that could benefit from it in a way of digital identity, so that you start learning to explain them that way, because when you explain it to them the other way, then they go to this and it don't work. And then they go to a calm and it do work and they leave confused.

Speaker 4: 1:08:39

Right, I understand, and I usually start with digital identity. I actually explain it to people like it's the only way that you can really have something digital, that is, a Website and an identity. That's fashionable when you tell people the name of what you have. It's fashionable. You know, names are everything. There's certain places where people have lived there for two thousand years and their family names are two thousand years old and it gets so deep in the heritage and the meaning is it's beyond money, it's beyond crypto, for instance, my family name. I'm never gonna sell my family name. You know, when I went in and minted all of it, that meant a lot my kids names, that. That it gave me a lot of time to really, really think about it. That's also why I went and bought 14 billionaires names, for instance. When it's hard to integrate people into this, I'm gonna contact all these 14 billionaires one by one. I'm gonna let them know what I'm doing. I'm really trying, before I contact them, I'm trying to build it in a way that I don't fuck it up. You know what I mean. It's easy to to mess this up and get it, like you were saying, to Misconstrued it and start to simply, you know, explain it as a website rather than an identity. You know this to me. You know names are everything. For instance, that's why a ten-year-long court case went on at Sturgis and if you ever knew anything close to that, it's one of the wildest cases I've ever I've ever seen. And and back to that the reason I was gonna finish that. And so you know, when I found out you Can switch them from public to private, I believed that I had to go buy motorcycles Dot Sturgis, led's, dot Sturgis, leathers, dot Sturgis, camping, dot Sturgis, cabins. I could just keep going. There's so many names connected to that that are worth an Unbelievable amount of money because I've been there, I've been to Sturgis for many years and I grew up in spearfish and went to middle school down in spearfish, south Dakota, and when I was a child do there's so much politics in Sturgis? Listen to this. You can't even run a shop or own a business in Sturgis unless you get permission from a business downtown in Sturgis. Dude, it is. It's wild. And when you own something like this, anyone.

Speaker 4: 1:10:48

Now I bought all of the you know Sturgis Extensions on unstoppable right away, before I ever learned about free name. Okay, and I was happy about it. Somebody got to two or three extensions because back when I originally wanted to buy them, they were very expensive I don't remember if they were 10 grand or 50 grand, they're a lot. And so once the pricing changed and everything, the algorithm changed. All of a sudden, boom. I call it bypassing the algorithm because I know that it makes 10 billion dollars or a billion dollars in 10 days. So when the price changed and they all switched to 40 dollars, I went in and scooped up eight extensions. And so to me you know, I only on Sturgis, dot X, but to me dot Sturgis means so much more Because I understand the high level of detail of what all of the websites are worth there. A Cabin at Sturgis for the week is 10 grand, oh you know. So it's. It gets really wild. So, anyways, I thought I had to go buy all these.

Speaker 2: 1:11:51

I have a question. Sure, this is a question I ask every now and then I get into conversations with them. It's like a normie or a quote unquote normie around us being exposed to this and they're excited the same way. And I ask them why? And it's the question I'm gonna ask you. The person who goes to Sturgis rides up there on the bike and I've been in the spirit for so long. It's a beautiful area, but that area, the person that goes to Sturgis from the rally, that buys that $10,000 cab in for the week, why would that person, why and how would they use a dot Sturgis to make me?

Speaker 4: 1:12:25

I can explain that in the most beautiful reason ever. This is one of the few places in the world and businesses where Web 3 means more than anything, and the reason why is because it only lasts 10 days long and people long for it all year long. They save up their money all year long. I've met people that put $30,000 on their credit card in four days I it's unbelievable the amount of money spent. Especially if you go to the Buffalo chip. You really wanna see the amount of money spent there. You get to see you know $2 million motor homes carrying you know $100,000 motorcycles it's. And so anyway, is this the last 10 days.

Speaker 4: 1:13:04

Here's the magic of Web 3. When anyone comes and buys one of these extensions from me, I get to let them know that the party gets to last all year long because you can now access it through the metaverse. You can now use it as your digital identity and these people are gonna wanna party all year long because it's a party mentality and let's say that they're not gonna be able to make that. Have that 10 grand that year because something happened. Now they can go to Sturgis through the metaverse. Now when they come and buy these, they get to now offer that ability to anybody that comes and buys them from them. You know this is a really truly. I've been working on this for seven years straight.

Speaker 2: 1:13:47

You're a bike. I'm assuming you've been to Sturgis. You're a biker and, although most people may not assume me to be so, I actually owned a couple of Harleys back in my day. And, to reference what Collector was saying earlier about the average age of demanders the average age of somebody who's going to Sturgis he ain't a spring chicken. These are grown adults with grandkids that are buying $100,000 toys to come down here and have a party, and I don't know how many of them are connected to Web3 or Crypto or the blockchain to understand what it is or to understand that they would want one.

Speaker 2: 1:14:26

Now, when I asked the question, the first thing that I was thinking or what I was hoping to hear because it could work right Blockchain. When you talk about the 10 days and money flowing around, I see the need for possibly prepaid debit cards and transaction with cryptocurrency and being able to load things on the blockchain so you don't overspend. I see Po-Apps for attending certain rides and doing stuff like that. I see a lot of, because the blockchain can actually make a lot of regular engagement quite fun in ways that they may not necessarily understand at first, but it'll be super cool. You can go back on the blockchain and see those things. But I'm thinking the first thing would be maybe to attach payments or something to it. But yeah, just wanted to point that out. Like, that demographic, as you know, is quite you know, people who are successful in life. They're at their later years, so just wanted to get serious.

Speaker 4: 1:15:21

It's huge. Yeah, I ride motorcycle myself as well. I was in a wreck on a scooter and they cut two thirds of my skull off and before I could even walk straight I was driving to the top of the state park here in Montana. I couldn't even walk, but I could ride a motorcycle. So I'm a pretty much die hard dude and but at the same time, what happens is I didn't realize that you could turn these from private or public. Okay, so here's the difference. I want to describe this to everybody because I can't even describe how happy I was.

Speaker 4: 1:15:51

I was actually talking to people about going and buying. All of you know everything connected to my extension, because I understand the value of it, because of being there. And I also went to Sturgis because I owned Sturgis Rally Domainscom and I went in and bought over 200 of the greatest names that you could ever think of connected to Sturgis. That were all dot coms and my renewals were $8,000 at the end of the year. And it's just one of the. And I wouldn't talk to people. I talked to hundreds of people at Sturgis two, three years in a row, the last three years I have went. Last year I only went for the last couple of days because of all my genetics I've been working on so, but you know, what happens is I've talked to people. It's a tough sell, but what happens is the second that I've talked to people about the ability to have the party go all year long. They were all about it. That was the seller, that's the ticket, because everyone misses Sturgis and everybody wants the ability to go there or have a part of it.

Speaker 4: 1:16:59

Now here's the kicker, because now I turned it private, I can turn it public, which means this If I don't want to do any work and create passive income, I can turn it public through my profile on free name, which allows anybody in the public if I go down to Sturgis and advertise it everywhere because I'm going to go talk to the city and say, hey, city of Sturgis, how would you like city of dot Sturgis, or whatever they want, and try to integrate the city. I've already talked to the city planner about this multiple times and they're interested in the city of Rapid City as well. So at the same time, it's a very tough sale. It's a very, very difficult thing because this is so brand new. But here's the thing that's so amazing about free name is that all of a sudden I can turn it public, which means now I get 50% of every single domain that they sell connected to that extension. So all I would have to do if I don't want to sell them personally is go down there and let the world know about free name.

Speaker 4: 1:17:58

And hey, go, buy dot Sturgis. Now the way I can do that is to go to every single business in Sturgis and go hey, one-eyed Jacks or the American Legion or these huge. These places are so big they have international acts that play at the bar. The bars are so big they only operate those 10 days. They aren't even open the rest of the year. Do you understand the importance of having a business now be able to operate through web three? And they don't even need the building. People have a hard time sometimes selling brick and mortar in Sturgis right.

Speaker 4: 1:18:33

Not web three domains, because you don't have to pay taxes on the land but yet you can accept payments all year long. And yes, I know websites are very difficult to build right now in web three, but here's how this works the first person that can go web five integrated and allow every one of us to build a website as easily as I did on GoDaddy. Godaddy you can get on aboutdabtimecom and I built that on GoDaddy and I didn't use any other platform extension tools at all. You know I used just Before I let you get too far into that.

Speaker 2: 1:19:07

there is a guy and I've got to give him his flowers and you're gonna see a whole lot more development from him in the future and that guy is a dyath with web ash. There is a guy who is making it as easy to develop in a website on your web. Three domains is simple, and on those field days as well, he is integrated with free name, by the way, to build websites like that in one, two, three and there's a whole lot more sophisticated development coming. So stay tuned for that. Just wanted to put that out there. I'm sorry if I'm interrupting.

Speaker 4: 1:19:37

That's awesome, thank you. I love hearing that and I hope so. I encourage everyone to build. What happens is, you know, even last time when I was meeting, I was trying to bring up. You know, it's important for any one of us to come up with a way for all of us to make money on this. I actually kind of work hard on that.

Speaker 4: 1:19:53

One way I've come up with, but I don't understand how to implement it, is to turn these into lotteries. For instance, when I was over in Minneapolis talking to a gentleman that owns the largest amount of shops in the whole city, you know we were talking and I says, hey, I've got an idea because I own, you know, stpaulnft, minneapolis, st Paul. The other part of you know Minneapolis is St Paul. I think Minneapolis is unreleased, so that's why I went in and got St Paul. Well, you know, if I can get a billboard stuck up on six different interstates that says send $100 Ethereum to stpaulnft, the winner gets half the purse. Now here's the thing you gotta have permission for gambling. You have to have permission and a permit for this, but if a person's allowed to have the permit, every single one of these that we own is a walking lottery, because if a person can make it work and the reason why these are so important is everyone that lives in St Paul.

Speaker 4: 1:20:56

I had a friend of mine that moved out to Montana. Well, he moved back to St Paul. He's like I just I grew up there, out my whole life. I gotta go back to see my family. That's his heritage, it's his everything he lost, half pay cut. He didn't care. You know. You know these names and these places mean so much to people that when you send money to that name directly, that means something.

Speaker 4: 1:21:15

Now, I don't know how to put it into a random generator wallet address. You know, application we need an application built that can take any one of us that can take these and anyone that wants to send the money to our blockchain domain for the raffle or lottery or what anyone wants to. You know call it that it's able to randomly pick the wallet that won. That's the thing I'm running into right now. If anyone has any insight on this or can direct me to anyone that knows or wants any one of us can do this, I truly feel like we all win. I own Deadwood Wallet and the only thing in South Dakota that makes you know the secondary money connected to Sturgis is the casinos in Deadwood. I will be going down there to try to integrate this with the casinos and possibly even the casinos on the Indian territories, because they can do this a lot easier than other places. They have less red tape. Now what that?

Speaker 4: 1:22:22

does is allow any one of us that owns one of these blockchain domains to now partner up with a casino and tell the casino let's both. You know, get our 50%, you get 25%, I get 25%. It can be done a million different ways, but all of a sudden, that's what I came up with. And, yeah, if anyone has any insight and or any other ways that these themselves have a way to be worth more money, I'm all about it, and I know that all of us are all about it. Everyone just has to realize about what I'm explaining requires permits. You know, if it's just called a raffle, it's one thing. The cool thing is, this is crypto, so we don't.

Speaker 2: 1:23:07

Yeah, that's for that thing specifically. That's one very interesting way to use a domain name as a raffle, and there may be some other ways to kind of approach that. That actually kind of helps me transition into. One of the things that I was gonna talk about at some point in this space was some of the alpha that I've seen and some of the transitions you know that we'll be making, you know, pretty short term, as far as you know, our interaction with the community, and most of that is, you know, as many of you know well, some of you don't know that we have a community that exists on Telegram and that community is primarily, you know, those who are there to receive alpha and are engaging in the space more from a consumer level. And then I have a Twitter group that has more, you know, people in the space that are more on the side. Go for it. I'm not gonna say something to talk about.

Speaker 4: 1:24:06

Yeah, I was just gonna try to end because I was just. That takes me a while. It's easy to get off task and rant for a while, but here's the thing is, what happens is, once I learned I could turn it from public to private, you have no idea, I thought I was gonna have to go buy all of these and I was like talking to investors because I went there so much. I understand it. So when a person comes across something like this and now I have the ability to turn it private, well, I did, I turned it private, and now I'm gonna go down to all the bars in the entire place and say how would you like to own your name connected to Dot Sturgis? If you stick a big, huge sign on the outside of your bar, I'll, you know, make sure that you get your name for, basically, cost or whatever. Work some deal out.

Speaker 4: 1:24:51

I haven't found exactly how I'm gonna work the deal out, but the thing is is, once a person can integrate and take it to that level, I'm so happy with free name, with that ability, because now that I clicked one button, I don't have to buy them all, and that's something that I have found that I love unstoppable and free name is so new. I was weary you gotta be weary with everything. But everything I'm seeing from them I'm loving, and the fact that I was able to go in for $700 or $800 and buy Dot Sturgis and now turn it private. I can't describe it to anyone because I'm going down there for the rest of my life to make this happen, because I understand these people need that. If you find a place that needs Web 3, because they need the party to go the rest of the year, you know, I mean, it's one of those things that and here goes for many different names and many, many different aspects Right now I call it bypassing the algorithm I went and bought Dot Tokyo, japan.

Speaker 4: 1:25:55

There's 37 million people that live there and it's an honor society. It's a very honorable thing to own any one of these or any names or anything connected to this, and so what happens is there is a lot of possibilities because it can be turned private and or public, and that's, you know, last talk. I wanted to kind of mention that because that's the biggest difference out of everything is being able to get passive income, you know, if you just sit back and can advertise and let the world know that you own the extension and you want to just turn it public, then you get 50% of all sales. Well, here's the kicker, the sales over.

Speaker 2: 1:26:38

So, my guy, what I was about to say is a lot of what I'm going to focus on in the future is business development, cause there's some guy out there somewhere that also owns Dot Surges on another platform and he don't got to share 50%, nor does he have to beg to make his extension private. He can make it private and he can issue names with zero cost on a different platform. But this is the part of business development that a lot of us, I think, out here are missing, which is why we have assets that we can't translate into cash. It sounds great, but the business of it, the actual selling of it, the execution of it, the type of platforms that make this easier to do than others, the ones that are may provide more value than others when you're talking about selling assets.

Speaker 2: 1:27:23

That's when it comes to the business development part, and that's one of the things that I wanted to to kind of discuss during this space is some of the things and some of the things that we did you know that I did during this convention to kind of put us on a better path, and some of the things that I'm actually changing about our platform to put us on a better path to assist the business development. So when you're asking those questions like, or when you're saying out loud, if anyone can help do this or figure out, do this. I'm hoping at some point for you and I to have a private conversation so that we could figure out what that would be, cause I could definitely help you create a plan to try to get this in the hands of people at Sturgis.

Speaker 4: 1:28:03

Awesome and I can have the same ability to advertise your company there. Because, once again, you know, if we all work together, we all win. You know, I believe that if everyone, like with ENS, if they just work together with everybody, rather than to make two billion, hey, you can make 20 billion. I honestly think everyone can 10 times their portfolio if they all work together.

Speaker 2: 1:28:25

Absolutely. I 100% agree. This has actually been an amazing space, and we have spent the past hour and a half of it really just all the beginning news, which is awesome. That's when you know that there is a lot going on, and I truly appreciate it. I actually just want to take a moment now to kind of briefly go over some of the things that I was going to talk about, because, as people can see at the top of the page, we did call it auction talking.

Speaker 2: 1:28:51

I am in the middle of our auction that we have going on in partnership with GBM. We've got 16 names in the auction. We have been going about four and a half days, so we've got two days, 21 hours and 30 minutes left. Two of our two of the domains inside the auction already have been opening bids. I see that people are treating this as a regular auction, and that's one of the things I just wanted to reiterate Now. If you've got your eye on something and your strategy is to wait for the last bit, by all means do what you got to do. I actually just participated in the two auctions for some different type of assets in the past couple of days and all of the bidding happened at the last five minutes. I don't get why it happens that way. So cool. If that's your strategy, go for it. There's some great bids out here. Most of them have some pretty reasonable bids, so I know that you probably only want to commit them at the end of the auction. However, the nature of this auction, the game, the nature of it, does also reward the person that takes the first shot. So I do want to put that out there. If you are the first person to bid and open up the auction and still happen to get outbid, your funds will be immediately returned to your wallet so they will become immediately usable again. Feel free to bid again. Plus, you will also receive a bounty and the percentage will vary. But the percentage for the first person is 10% and then it goes down, subsequently lower if that person gets outbid, and then the next person, et cetera, et cetera. So biggest reward comes to the person who takes the jump first. We remind everybody, names are for another two days and 21 hours. You can get to it simply by going to iHeartDomains and going on the final domain that's going down to the auction, or at iHeartDomains GBMOction. So yeah, I wanted to put that out there Also wanted to just give a recap of the Denver trip as well.

Speaker 2: 1:30:48

First of all, thank you and shout out again to the ENS flexor, ron OnGod the GOAT, wild and Chappy the diet, everybody that was in this house that made this stay so amazing. I really appreciate them. I pretty much spent my entire agenda with the ENS Maxis crew, so we attended the together. There was a few side events. The ENS event was actually a pretty big impact event. Again, like I was explaining to Ishimany, the development is happening in a different way than we can necessarily see, but ENS is far from dead. I can't say the same about your diet. Eat names, but ENS ain't dead. They had a whole lot going on and their party was one of the hardest ones to get into. So very grateful to go out there with the ENS Maxis crew and go to that party.

Speaker 2: 1:31:38

There's two parts to the expo, so most of the time I spent at the main event, but they get to touch on the built-in thong. They did give away a bunch of swag and the vendors there were, I mean, a lot of ZK, a whole lot of ZK. And then another big thing that was going on there also was Farkaster. I've done a space previously on Farkaster Workcast or Ishimany. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person that's bullish on Farkaster Workcast.

Speaker 2: 1:32:09

I was able to learn that I definitely out here because that was one of the talks of definitely of Keith Denver. I was explaining to a friend a little bit earlier because I'm trying to get him to take it a little bit seriously the same friend that just hopped off the stage and said he got that four-figure airdrop yeah, that came from Farkaster and I turned him on to it and he's still fading it. And what I'm trying to explain to him is imagine being at CES before the iPhone came out and seeing a secret group of people looking at this thing and talking about the iPhone like it was cool. It's one of those scenarios where you know that CES breaks products. So does Keith Denver. And that's the same kind of conversations that were being had about Workcast. It was everyone asking are you on Workcast or have you been on Workcast? I think their panel had a standing room only. I missed that day and didn't get to see the panel and I really wanted to go to it.

Speaker 2: 1:33:05

But again bringing you back to that, if you're not already on Workcast, please consider joining. I'm not sure if there is a cost or not. So, obviously, if there is a cost, do your own research, not financial advice. If there isn't a cost, you're really just excluding yourself from an entire ecosystem of people who are building something completely different on this social platform. Now transitioning into what we are about to start doing. Like I was saying to you earlier, top hat into anyone else's listening definitely going to start focusing more on the business development part of our business, especially here on Twitter, so you will see a lot more posts that are tailored towards that. Most of our social conversations, engagement with both the community and with those who just want to connect in the ecosystem. I'm actually going to start migrating that over to Workcast. So, again, if you're not already on there, you might start seeing less activity in the places that you usually see us at, especially on my telegram group. So this is especially a message to those who are in the telegram group, and that's the way that we talk, and there's quite a few of you who are very active in that group but not active in the other groups, likely going to migrate from there over to Workcast, not only because it does us a favor, kind of building forward into the future, but it does you a favor Because there is a lot of airdrop opportunities. There are some amazing communities that are being built over there. That is basically the ecosystem that's developing out base. So OG Collections on base which I think I just missed a minute, oh my god. But oh well, we're about to close the space suit anyway. So if there's still some left, I will get it. But OG Collections that are on basis is where you're going to find them.

Speaker 2: 1:34:44

One of the steps that I took as a platform and as an individual is I joined. I was introduced to. If anybody is familiar with Nouns, nouns is a shumongous doll that has like $20 million in its treasury. It's had more at some point and they basically met one NFT a day and you bid on it in an auction system and then if you win that NFT, it's essentially your membership and all the money that is raised from it it goes into a treasury. Then you guys collectively go on what to do with it. It's like a public good stuff and they actually fund businesses. They build things right. Well, their ecosystem became so big that a lot of them that are in the original ecosystem have started smaller dolls to fund Same concept right, the exact same concept, same structure to fund more specific tasks.

Speaker 2: 1:35:32

Well, there are actually dolls what we call Nounish dolls that are dedicated to not only building out the base ecosystem, which is the Yellow Doll, but there's also one that's specifically dedicated to building out the Farkaster ecosystem, which is the Purple Doll. So I participated in the auctions of both of those dolls and I was fortunate enough to win tokens in both of those auctions. So remember both those dolls, meaning that a lot of what we're going to do as a platform as well is going to be focused on using the tools of Warp, cast and Farkaster to better engage with my community. So I'm saying this again to say that if you're not already on that platform, and if you're able to, if it doesn't cost you anything, or if you choose to pay that cost, please connect with us over there. That is where a lot of our future building is going to take place and hopefully, the relationship that I have with those dolls will present a lot of opportunities that are real, legitimate opportunities, because these are the dolls that are building out that platform. So, yeah, I actually want to give you another chance to say any final words.

Speaker 2: 1:36:42

Top Hat. I also want to thank Ishmaelie, if you give a chance to listen to the space. Thank you for coming up. Thank you, collector. I know Michael Lauer was up on the stage a little bit earlier. Didn't get to say anything, but thank you as well, go for it. Last word. Top Hat.

Speaker 4: 1:36:56

Hey, I just want to thank everybody for being a part of this, and the community is an amazing place. It's up and down like a teeter-totter. We're at the beginning of a new era of money and real estate, and it always reminds me of the stock market being created in the 1,500s in Amsterdam. There's going to be a lot of ups and downs. You might question your bag sometimes, or decisions or whatever, but what happens is sometimes a person just has to diversify their portfolio. This is not financial advice at all, but just try to make sure that. That's, for instance, why I went to freename from Unstoppable. I was just unstoppable for many years and I went to freename because they didn't have renewal fees, and that, to me, is a really, really big deal, because nobody knows what's going to happen in their lives. You could be slapped with the craziest medical bills in your entire life. I had a million dollar surgery when they cut two thirds of my skull off. You never know what's going to happen in this world, and so what happens is be smart, be safe and do your research. I was really glad I did all that research about Sturges because nobody can trademark it. I don't have to even ask the lawyer connected to freename. I actually kind of did as I asked them that question to see if they would steer me wrong, but they didn't answer me, which was smart. But at the same time, this all boils down to we have to do a lot of work and be smart, and this is a gamble. In a way, we're all betting on a horse, as they say, and I'm betting on the freename horse rather than the handshake horse, and the reason why is because of integration, the ability for any kind of passive gains. We've always heard about royalties that's what they're called. When you buy one of these, you have the option, for $50 to buy the royalties. Well, that's pretty cool because, from what I understand and what I've seen, it's just a flat fee, and the way I did it is I always caught enough sales and discounts that I bypassed the fee, and so always do your research and do your due diligence and check into your bags and your websites. There's a good example with Unstoppable, the people that didn't check into their websites regularly, and when those air drops happened, they missed out because those only lasted so long. So everyone, do your research, dig in, and I wish everyone to have prosperity and the more ways that any one of us can find a way to make money with a blockchain domain. It makes us all more money, and I hope that we can all just kind of keep that thought in our minds, because I know that there's a lot more ways to make money with this, like the way I explain turning any one single blockchain domain into a lottery itself.

Speaker 4: 1:39:58

If the whole city drives by a big sign in New York City that says send $100 Ethereum to New York City or New York Crypto, that name means so much they know it's legitimate For one. There's a big billboard. There's a legitimacy right there. Linaire Signs wants $8,000 a sign. When I talked to him last and I wanted to get three signs. So if anyone sees a big billboard, you know right off the bat that someone spent money in there. Serious, and that's the stuff I'm working on Big investors trying to get people to pop the billboards up, go and talk to I forget which one of us whales had Vegas Crypto or, yeah, vegas Crypto and I looked at that name and thought that's a walking lottery.

Speaker 4: 1:40:46

That's a walking lottery, and so as long as we you know, I just don't know how to randomly generate the wallet addresses I believe it needs to be randomly generated so that it's fair to every single person that puts their $100 Ethereum in there. And so it's just an idea. It's something I've, you know. It just came to me out of nowhere and I thought if any one of us can do that and I know that the Indian casinos can do this so here in Montana, I'm going to contact them and I'm going to try to do some footwork for all of us, but remember to try to dig in every one of us and find a way and say, hey, what can we do to make a blockchain worth more money? So that's my last two cents and I want to thank everybody for listening, and remember there's no financial advice from me or anyone around here.

Speaker 4: 1:41:40

We're trying to just explain what we're doing. That's how I always just describe it to everybody. I'm explaining what I'm doing. I might fail at every single thing I do. I told my kids that I said kids, I might fail. But here's the thing about dad I will never, for the rest of my life, have somebody tell me that I didn't buy in in the beginning, like when Bitcoin came out at 1,000th of a penny, and so that's why I love blockchain domains.

Speaker 4: 1:42:09

That's why I love these names, and there's so many different ways to appreciate names. I realize that names are worth more than money. There's families that have had wealth that is so big for over 2,000 years and I went and bought their name and I'm going to give it to them as a gift upon their request. What happens is if we can get as many people into this space that has a lot of money just like you were doing with the Grammys and big name artists and dude good job, that's all I've got to say is you're leading the way. You're totally kicking ass. I love what you're doing and thank you very much. I kind of see you foraging as hard or harder than anyone out there in this. It's recognized and my top hat is off to you. So I thank you and anytime you want to talk about integration or any of this, I'm all about it. I have some really, really big plans and usually when I tell people what I'm doing, they're speechless. It's pretty wild, but I got an idea and it's good.

Speaker 2: 1:43:19

Yes, sir, I really appreciate the love and, yeah, I definitely would love to connect and have a conversation. You do have a lot of plans and I see where they can go. It's like you see where they can go and multiple minds coming together can help build a business right, so we'll definitely figure out. Thank you also for coming on this. Thank you everybody for attending. I see the people that are in the crowd. I know you guys are respected, as always. Anything I can do to help you build, please let me know. Let's do it Again. If you're on WorkCaster, you're going to be super active there, so follow me there. A lot of good alpha there. And for those of you who may have come into the space late or want to listen back to anything that we talked about during the space, you can do so In a couple of days. On our website, I will embed our space and you'll be able to listen to it straight from there, as well as read the blog recap, or you'll be able to listen to any podcast form again at techtalkhost.

Speaker 2: 1:44:15

This has been another Tech Talk. This is auction talk, part two. If you haven't already participated or gone to our auction and see the names, please do so. You've got two days, 21 hours and 15 minutes left. We've got grills on there like seex, gamerintflexex. So, yes, thank you for all the love. Thank you for attending another I Heart Demand's Tech Talk. I will talk to you guys soon, enjoy.