Exploring the Metaverse, Digital Identity, and Opportunities in Virtual Communities

Join us for an engaging journey into the Metaverse and Web3 with Mike, the founder and CEO of Netvrk and Mr. Lanzer - host of Sandbox DAO community spaces. Discover how personal milestones and professional endeavors converge in the fast-evolving digital landscape, as we explore the latest in Web3 with our interactive audience.

Dive into the dynamic world of the Sandbox ecosystem, where blockchain meets creativity. As a passionate community member, Mr Lanzer shares his journey through this vibrant metaverse, highlighting collaborations with iconic brands like Gucci and Atari. We explore the intricacies of digital identity and governance within DAOs, tackling the challenges of trust and transparency in a community-driven environment. Our discussions offer insights into how digital tools like GameMaker and VoxEdit empower creators of all ages, setting the stage for a future filled with limitless possibilities.

Explore the transformative potential of digital identity and ownership in virtual spaces. From NFT vehicles to the increasing value of virtual real estate, the Sandbox offers exciting opportunities for users to engage and invest in a thriving digital realm. We examine the significance of digital identity systems like ENS and KYC in enhancing privacy and security, and reflect on the journey from anonymity to credential-focused interactions. Celebrate the spirit of collaboration and innovation that defines this digital frontier, as we envision a future where creativity and community engagement drive the evolution of the metaverse.

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Chapters

• 2:01 Live Tech Talk and Updates
• 16:03 Metaverse Game and NFT Community
• 30:18 Exploring the Sandbox Ecosystem
• 38:31 Creating the Metaverse Ecosystem
• 49:30 Metaverse Creation and Ownership
• 56:56 Metaverse Assets and Real Estate Value
• 1:03:27 Trust and Transparency in Crypto
• 1:14:32 Sandbox Identity and Web3 Integration
• 1:19:43 Digital Identity in the Metaverse
• 1:29:05 Digital Identity and Web3 Evolution

Transcript

Speaker 2: 2:01

Thank you. Thank you, hello. Hello everybody. We'll get started in just a moment, waiting for a couple more people to come in. Thank you, I see that Lancer is already here. How's it going? Doing pretty good, pretty good. Good to talk to you again. Look forward to the conversation. And, yeah, we will get started here in just a moment, probably about 20 or 30 seconds. We will get started here in just a moment, probably about 20 or 30 seconds. If you guys could do me a favor, as always as you come into the space, you know that bottom right hand bubble like retweet, share it out, get a few more people in. We do this live just for you guys.

Speaker 3: 2:36

So, yeah, we'll start in just let's hear that ominous intro music again.

Speaker 2: 2:50

Huh yeah, I don't even know how to turn it back on either, and I actually have like a whole theme song someone like a friend of ours made for me and I'm trying to figure out how to insert it. It's easy to edit it into the podcast, but here live on twitter, I think you just have to play it like on another speaker, and it's weird like you can't just import uh natively into spaces.

Speaker 3: 3:15

So until then, yeah, if you have a, if you have virtual audio cables, you can change the the input to like an audio mix, so like if you have a beacon mic or anything like that, and then you can play your sound through your audio mix and it will combine both your mic and whatever it is you're playing. So there is a way to do it, but you've got to change the input for your Chrome or Edge or whatever you're using.

Speaker 2: 3:42

Okay, got it, and I promised myself I would figure out how to do it one day. And there you go you tap into people that are smarter than you.

Speaker 3: 3:50

I discovered on accident just a couple of weeks ago so necessity was the mother of all intervention on that one.

Speaker 2: 3:58

Do you have your own theme song as well?

Speaker 3: 4:01

I nope. I have Streamlabs, so they have like a whole free copyright, free repertoire of stuff. And then sandbox just gave me their their playlist of songs like that they have for their game, so I'll probably start using that now. I usually use whatever game or or organization, I'm, I'm. I'm speaking on behalf of. Normally, if you ask them. They'll be like yeah, here's all our stuff.

Speaker 2: 4:32

Yeah, and that definitely makes sense, and that's pretty cool that you aligned the theme song with the guest. I might want to start doing that as well, if anybody brings their own song and I do also see that we have and I'm going to say this wrong, but it's Netwerk official up on stage. How are you guys doing? Go ahead and introduce yourself and correct my bad pronunciation.

Speaker 4: 4:55

What's up? No worries, it's Netwerk, but people usually just say network, or if you're German, you say network Nice to meet you. So this is Mike. I'm the founder and CEO of the company and it's good to be here.

Speaker 2: 5:14

Yeah, glad, glad to have you guys and a friend of mine and ours, a mutual friend introduced us. You know you guys have a lot of value to add to the conversation, so looking forward to hearing from your guys' perspective as well. And yeah, thank you for coming up on such short notice. Glad to be connected. I'll go for it.

Speaker 4: 5:36

No, no, I just wanted to say no problem, I just had a third baby, actually me and my wife. So I just came back from the hospital and I was like yay, wow, congratulations. Thanks, thanks. I just literally got in. Thank you, the third boy, and you have a cool name. His name is Neo, for real.

Speaker 2: 5:55

Big congrats, big congrats, and that makes me feel even more special. You took time out of.

Speaker 4: 6:00

Oh yeah, it's my pleasure.

Speaker 2: 6:01

It's my pleasure, it's a good break a little bit from it yeah, and without further ado, I'm gonna go ahead and introduce, uh, the tech talk and we'll go ahead and get right into it. Uh, for those of you who are unfamiliar with the format of the tech talk, you usually start off with some of, uh, some of the news that's been going on in the web through the main space, so my intro is a little long, but, yeah, bear with me. Welcome everybody to our TikTok podcast. This is a live discussion that I record weekly here on X, where I highlight news, innovations, education, alpha and business development in the Web3 technology and digital identity space. I am your host, winn Airdrop, the founder of iHeart Domains, and we are your number one resource for unbiased Web3 and blockchain domain educational content, with over 100 of these tech talks and YouTube videos produced and archived over the past two years. You can search our entire podcast archive for prior recordings and we do an easy to read blog overview of every single one of these, and that will be on our website at iHeartDomainscom. Prior recordings can also be listened to in podcast form on every major podcast player. So that's your Apple, spotify, iheartradio, all that good stuff, and you can get to all that pretty easily at TechTalkhost.

Speaker 2: 7:20

Yeah, and again as people are coming to the space. I do thank you guys for attending our live spaces. Yeah, and again as people are coming to the space. I do thank you guys for attending our live spaces. Please like and retweet. If you got any questions, leave them down in that Biden right-hand bubble. And, of course, if you'd like to come up and add anything to the conversation, feel free to request a speaker role and I'll invite you on up opening news pretty briefly so we can get into the subject in hand.

Speaker 2: 7:45

But the first thing I wanted to talk about and I actually should have pinned it up to the top of the space and now that I started the space, sometimes it's just hard to find stuff get jumbled. But if any of you guys have been following our platform, you'll know that our next Verbs Meetup is actually going to be this Saturday, this Saturday morning, from 10 o'clock in the morning to 1230 in the afternoon. Verbs is a public goods DAO, that is, it is a nounish DAO, so it was birthed from the nounish spirit, but it is a DAO all of its own which now has a verb or spirit and other people have adopted that. But in any event, we host not only the VIRBs Hangout Spaces but we also host the VIRBs Meetup. So that is sponsored and funded by the VIRBs DAO. It is also co-sponsored and hosted by iHeart Domains and co-hosted also by Orion Technologies, which is a friend of mine, Jay Psychedelic Sometimes he comes on the space. But yeah, we will be doing our third meetup. So this will be our third monthly meetup this Saturday.

Speaker 2: 8:51

The objective of that meetup is to onboard normies into crypto. Yeah, we do this to onboard people who are not familiar with Web3, defi, public goods, daos, any of that stuff into the ecosystem. We try to make it simple for them. You know, base has a lot of onboarding tools that are either free or even, you know, pay out or give rewards or prizes in addition to being free for people who use them. So we use those tools to onboard people in a fun way. Another thing that we also do and, of course, aligning with our ethos, is everything begins with a name. The most important thing that you can own ever is your identity, and so we also, for every attendee, give them a free brbs SLD. They're able to choose the name that they'd like on that TLD, and that TLD was graciously sponsored by Freename. So for those of you who also know, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 2: 9:49

Yeah, yeah, everybody pulls up gets a free digital ID. And, yeah, for those of you who are already familiar with Freename, freename allows you to, or enables anyone to, purchase domain names, web3 domain names at the TLD level, and then you're also able to now build your own community and, you know, even generate a revenue from allowing others to register SLDs off of those TLDs. So, yeah, if you're not already familiar, please go explore that. And then, yeah, also going down the list of news, if you're in this space at all and I'm talking about the digital identity web three space you're probably also familiar of the NURTLE's mint. That is ongoing and it's kind of in a couple of different stages and I'll try to explain it as quickly as possible. But last week we did our AMA with Hedayat of WebHash, hash Network and Nurals. It's all kind of combined in the same thing. So if you want to get you know, kind of more of a deep dive of exactly what I'm talking about in that ecosystem, I do encourage you to go to those places I talked about earlier either techtalkhost or higherdemainscom to read and listen to that past episode. But the TLDR is WebHash is a no-code website builder that allows you to build websites on your digital identity, your ENS names, bnb and also free name domains, and it soon will be open. Well, it is open now, if you've tokenized your domains through 3DNS, for you to build decentralized websites on coms that have been tokenized through there as well. It will eventually open up completely to full DNS so you'll be able to use it as a centralized storage for any website. But, yeah, the hash network will be that network that that data now is stored on. Right now it's stored on IFPS and Artweave and Nerdles was the mint that just came out on I think it was Saturday or Friday a couple days ago which gives you lifetime access to be able to build and host on that network. It also gives you a bunch of other features as well, like access to website builder tools and different things that you can plug in as well as being a node validator or virtual validator in that hash network. And yeah, again, if you want to deep dive into exactly what they do on all the utility that is and you'll be able to do that you can do that by listening to the past TikTok AMA that we just did. But yeah, the whitelist mint I think was for 24 or 48 hours. Anybody who did mint during that period. I believe there was 53 people who minted in that period, 107 nerdles total actually ended up minting what will become their Mutant Nerdles. So congrats to you guys, which includes me. And yeah, for any of you guys who are bullish on, again, decentralized identity, building actual real things, content, websites, all that stuff in a decentralized manner and kind of furthering the purpose and relevance of Web3, out the nurdles and web hash and lastly, promise we're almost done.

Speaker 2: 12:50

Uh, this is kind of an honorable mention but did want to point this out, kind of also a self-shill. But uh, speaking of the domain space defyapp uh, just sold for, I believe, either either $120,000 or $130,000. It was announced by Jack Dien. I mean, it's not his real name, I think his real name is like you or something like that, but anyway, anybody familiar with him. He is a pretty big investor in two-letter domains in China. This was obviously a very big sale. I think he's connected to the people who bought this domain.

Speaker 2: 13:24

But a couple of signals here. Right, obviously, defiapp what's not to be bullish on. Somebody out there saw no value to spend $130,000 on a Web3 or crypto or DeFi related domain name. The other thing is it being not a com and obviously being the app shows that it has relevance, because I'm assuming that they're either going to connect it to a DeFi app or build one on it. But the typical, I guess, kind of I guess the consensus for most is that, you know, most of the time the premium is held within the com. The com is something that we usually fetch, something like this and the fact that a app, or that a GTLD in this case was able to fetch this much money is extremely bullish. Going to the self-show part, I own DeFibuild, so I'm hoping to see similar success or resale value when that one gets discovered by its eventual builder, which, you never know, might be me.

Speaker 2: 14:25

But yeah, that is our opening news and now we can get into the main discussion. Thank you guys all for being patient with me. As you see at the top, we are going to be talking about digital identity in the metaverse. Again, I want to thank my guests for being on stage, for helping me with this discussion.

Speaker 2: 14:44

A few weeks ago, I did have the opportunity to join one of our guests, mr Lancer, on his podcast and discuss my view on the importance of digital identity in the metaverse. I also got a chance to get a crash course on one of the communities that he represents, which is the sandbox, and, how you know, identity is currently used within their ecosystem. You know, during that podcast that I was on, I did express that I wanted to express and dive into the topic a little further on our own topic, our own tech talk, and so, yeah, well, here we are, bringing it full circle. Wanted to say thank you again to Mr Lanzer for having me on your show and introducing me to your community, and today I get the pleasure of doing the same. So, for everyone who is meeting you for the first time, can you please give us a brief introduction of yourself and an overview of what you do in the space in your podcast?

Speaker 3: 15:38

Yeah, absolutely, thank you. Thank you very much for having me on. When Airdrop and I met, I heard him speaking on the Forbes domain the builder spaces that they do every couple weeks and when I heard him speaking about digital identity, I knew that I wanted to have him on a podcast over at Sandow. Sandow is a podcast that is specifically focused on the sandbox DAO. I'm a community member, also called SanFam, so it's part of the sandbox family. I don't represent the sandbox game or the sandbox DAO, I'm just a community member. That's really passionate and I'm bought into being a DAO community member. And the Sandbox is a game. It's a metaverse game. Kind of looks like Minecraft, kind of plays like Minecraft, except every part of it is part of the blockchain and NFTs. So everything that you play on every sword that you swing to kill monsters, was built or created by a voxel artist. It was configured and arranged by an experienced game maker and then it was minted on the blockchain in order to be used and played and you can download it for free and all that stuff.

Speaker 3: 17:02

I myself I am, like I mentioned, a community member. I became part of SanFam back in 2021. And ever since then, I've slowly just improved and increased my involvement as an avatar owner, which is simply owning an NFT like World of Women or Mochaverse or Board 8 Yacht Club. There's a lot of brands that have entered into the sandbox Everyone from Gucci to Atari, deadmau5, and Walking Dead even has an experience in there. So they've done a really good job, kind of piecing together a culture and a society within the metaverse.

Speaker 3: 17:52

So me myself, I've been a gamer since I was young, a young lad, and so I got involved in the Sandbox gaming portion as a gamer originally and then in the background, I also do. I have my own business and I've been a program manager, a contract working, you know, programs related to aircraft and software maintenance stuff, things like that. And the DAO to me represents the perfect intersection of business, community and governance, and the Sandbox DAO specifically adds an extra layer of gaming to it and to me that's the intersection of everything I love. And so in the DAO I see this awesome convergence of so many different types of people and communities and cultures that when I had WinAirdrop on the podcast a couple of weeks ago we were grappling with the issue of our DAO has only been in existence for five months since May. So we're very new and digital identity is a pretty big topic because, as we come out of the kind of the anonymous gamer phase we have to start grappling with.

Speaker 3: 19:25

When someone wants a lot of money out of the DAO, how much do you really need to know about them, how much do you need to trust them? And with that came our conversation with WinAirdrop about digital identity. So I think I'll pause it right there If there are any questions or if you think that's good enough. I've been a gamer for a while and I'm now a podcast host. I've been doing it for quite some time, first with esports, then gradually different stuff, and now I'm podcast host of a DAO related to the Sandbox.

Speaker 2: 19:59

Thank you. Yeah, thank you for the introduction. I'm definitely glad to have you on and look forward to getting into it. You have a lot of perspective and I learned a lot, you know, even just from that brief interaction about the sandbox, and I even told you then, you know, there's a lot that I think that my daughter might enjoy about that community and about the ecosystem, and wanted to thank you for guiding me on the right track there community and about the ecosystem and wanted to thank you for guiding me on the right track there and then even like also thank you also for explaining your role within the community as well. Interestingly enough, we're probably going to end up continuing this conversation even outside of this space with more spaces, because this space kind of seemed like it was a magnet and brought a few other people to my DMs, one of those people being, I believe, an official representative from Sandbox Down, also Decentraland, and so we've got a big space in the planning and definitely hope that you will be there as well.

Speaker 3: 20:54

Yeah, I told them that I was coming on, so I'm not surprised that they reached out to you. That was fascinating. They reached out to you in, like the past 48 hours.

Speaker 2: 21:03

Yeah, and they told me to tell you hi, so they definitely hold you by a guard, was it? The communications manager. Yeah, I believe. So If you give me a chance, I can tell you yeah, Kunta probably. Yeah, it was Kunta.

Speaker 3: 21:19

Yeah, yeah, I told Kunta yesterday, so he was just announced as the communications manager which is basically community manager yesterday and I did a podcast reaction to his intro video that I just released and that's why I was up till 4 am, so really excited to see him involved and been needing increased communication for quite some time, and I think we'll get that with Kunta. So hi back, kunta, if you're listening and happy to be here yes, sir, yes, sir.

Speaker 2: 21:49

And then, um, I wanted to pose the same. Well, ask you to do the same if you could uh, micro network. If you go ahead and give us an introduction, uh, of you and of network yeah, sure, thanks.

Speaker 4: 22:05

So that was impressive. Uh, introduction of you. Mostly, I was like really impressed with everything, all the experience you had, and I kind of resonate with that because I also, you know, love a bunch of things. Sounds like you're very passionate about what you're doing, which is awesome. Yeah, so network is, uh, you know, we've been at it for several years now.

Speaker 4: 22:23

Yeah, so Network is you know, we've been at it for several years now we're creating a metaverse, that is, I mean, I like sandbox, which is you going more for the stylized look of it, which is awesome. I love sandbox. By the way, I love Minecraft. My kids are like Minecraft, minecraft. Even one day I told them like, hey, what do you want to prefer, to play my game or Minecraft? Like I was like what anyway, but they, they don't play it now. Um, yeah, so network is the metaverse with the genesis islands that's how we call it which is like a biomes of, uh, several biomes, like you see, have iceland, you have, um, the alps, you have like, uh, alien moon, all kind of biomes. And basically the cool thing about network is that we basically took it's funny because it's like, you know, sandbox and and Minecraft are actually based on voxel technology, which is a technology that allows you to scope like this in real time. And many years ago, when we started to do the creation engine, which is the sandbox for a network, we looked into technology to do it and one of the most obvious way was, like, the most efficient way that we saw back in in the day was actually using the same voxel, like, uh, technique, mechanics, whatever development wise, and this is um. So we kind of also built on the same, you know, core in the for the creation engine, which is interesting, um, but um, in our case, we can create, uh, you know, um, like, high fidelity 3D landscapes with it, because the underlying architecture of how, how you can create those cubes like, and the smooth ones are the same. Different is that, basically, when you have the cube ones, you just don't smooth it out between the cubes, and when you have the ones that, like what we're using is, you do smooth with some algorithm between the cubes. It's pretty simple anyway. So, uh, this network is short. We have a sandbox where you can create uh we haven't released the sandbox yet where you will be able to create these experiences that you can, you know, play with friends and monetize and, you know, just enjoy this virtual world in vr or in on the desktop. And right now we're releasing an alpha which is coming in in a week. The server will include people being able to finally, you know, hang around with their 3D avatars. They'll be able to drive their NFT vehicles and, in general, just like have the feel of how the metaverse, or network metaverse, is going to look. Like Me, I'm going to wrap up really quickly.

Speaker 4: 25:02

I'm just after the hospital with my baby. My head is, um, I am. I come from an engineering background. Since I was, uh, you know, in high school, I've been working factories, building machines. That's what I kind of like to do before. And same time I liked, you know, like art and stuff like this. So I kind of combined it and started to do game development. And now I'm here, um, with you guys talking in this podcast. So any other information you may require, I'm here to answer if I didn't cover myself enough no, you're perfect, thank.

Speaker 2: 25:38

Thank you again for the introduction. Congrats again, um thanks. Also also wanted to give a shout out to David aka Nothing To Do for connecting us together New and very valuable friend that I met during Consensus. I talked about him during the space that I held when I came back.

Speaker 2: 25:56

But yeah, glad that he connected us and I know that he has definitely got a lot of things moving and working and utilizes the metaverse in you know kind of a way that I think a lot of us hopefully will be able to see it and use it. Maybe this space will get a different perspective on how we can actually use it for regular applications or some things we haven't thought of. And yeah, with that being said, do you have anything else to add before we kind of jump into it? I did, I had something.

Speaker 4: 26:23

I wanted to ask him that worked.

Speaker 3: 26:25

Do you have anything else to add before we jump into it? No, I did. I had something I wanted to ask him Network. I think you mentioned that, the Network game. I was just looking at the website clicking through your profile. It's not voxel art. It looks like it's more realistic polygon graphics.

Speaker 4: 26:40

Is that what the game is yes, but there is a switch button. If you switch it, you convert it to actually. It's actually automatically converted to cubicle because it's the same on the line. Oh okay. Yeah, I'll show you. I didn't. I mean, the community knows a little bit. I kind of hinted, but I'm going to share like a short video of how the editing tool is actually working, because we've been working on it for, like you know, since, like the minor release, which was two years ago now.

Speaker 4: 27:09

And nobody saw yet what they're doing. So you're going to see it's really cool. It's really cool, it's fun, because for people that like to build stuff, you know manually kind of like works on stuff like this, you can also switch to this mode or you can. Yeah, it's pretty cool, I'll show you if you have a question.

Speaker 3: 27:26

If you don't mind, you can even yeah post it in the in the thread, the trailer and uh, it looks like your website says it's launching later on this month yeah, yeah, but it's not the, not the, not the sandbox.

Speaker 4: 27:39

We're just launching the like the multiplayer and the nft interactions okay cool and the visual fidelity of the world, so people can start having fun in one of the biomes.

Speaker 3: 27:49

Well, congratulations on the baby and the future game launch.

Speaker 4: 27:52

Yeah, it's kind of like two babies.

Speaker 2: 27:55

Thank you, I appreciate it. I do also want to invite both of you if either of you have anything that you want to share, please feel free to pin it up at the top. Actually, both of you would be the perfect people to pin something that would be easy for everybody to follow and get acclimated with each ecosystem. Obviously, everyone do your own research, all that good stuff, but please, yep, I posted two threads.

Speaker 3: 28:17

How do I pin something?

Speaker 2: 28:19

You should be able to go just in the. You said you where did you put them? In the chat itself. Yeah, I'll actually let me see if I can pin them for you. Uh, but typically all you have to do is go down to that bottom right hand where it's got an up button, the thing with the up, and then find the space and it'll pin it right up there to the top. But yep, they are up there now. Uh, so there, it looks like there's some information up there from the Sandbox game and Sandbox DAO. Everybody knows what Sandbox is, so feel free to join the community if you're not already a part of it, and follow the network.

Speaker 2: 28:52

And yeah, with that being said, as I've said again, the metaverse and Web3 digital identity to me feels like it's just an obvious. They go hand in hand. You know, a digital asset seems like it would make the most sense in a digital world and where it would provide the most value. What I'd like to do for those of us who may be kind of like naive and basic in this space almost like I am, you know I kind of want to give an introduction and see, I think we may have lost, lancer, but I'm adding you back up. I don't know if you did. Did you hear any of the last part I said, or do I need to repeat my question, lancer?

Speaker 3: 29:33

I clicked the up arrow and then accidentally hit the leave button. So you keep going. I heard it.

Speaker 2: 29:39

All good, all good. The question I wanted to ask is is for those of us who, like I said, who, even if you're experienced or skilled or been in Web3 for a while, you may not have necessarily interacted with the metaverse. I think on your podcast I mentioned that even my experience with the metaverse was limited to what I own in spatial and really just hearing about it and getting perspective but actually like being in it, in it. You know, I don't really have that experience like that. So for those of us who may be new to the metaverse or new to the space at all, how would you introduce them to it or to the sandbox? How do you describe this to them?

Speaker 3: 30:17

That's a great question. The way I normally describe it is sort of the way I introduced it in one of the penned tweets. It is sort of the way I introduced it in one of the penned tweets. Um, I'd first describe it as minecraft, because minecraft was, for quite some time, the the most viewed game on twitch, so odds are people know what minecraft is like the blocks, you hit the blocks, you build stuff and and that's a good start for describing it to someone who has no idea. And then you add the word uh. So it's a good start for describing it to someone who has no idea. And then you add the word so it's a Minecraft-like game and everything you see is built by someone and added to the blockchain. And that's where you have to kind of start melding into what is the Web3 interpretation of Minecraft and you get the sandbox out of that. So the sandbox is a giant ecosystem and if you click the one where it shows Sandow 31, 32, it has a picture that says people, product, purpose, and this is an episode I did just this last week where I finally was able to sit down and put the thoughts together that the ecosystem of the sandbox is huge.

Speaker 3: 31:29

You have so many different types of people, from artists to game studios, to business people, to just token or coin holders, dao voters, people who are part of the company, who are not part of the company and then they're gamers. And then you have the products, which is the game client that you play. You, you join it, you play the game like you would as a gamer. Then you have the vox edit, which is how you make art, so that's how you create your swords or your shields. The game maker is how you create the actual levels that you play on. Uh, so like putting a tree in place and then putting a building. That that's the game maker. Underneath, it is the market where you buy avatars, nfts. You can buy the land that people play on, or you buy and sell the coins, you stake them. Uh, the tokens excuse me, um, sandbox is a token on ethereum and polygon, and then the dow, which is the most recent edition, which is on discourse and snapshot, and then you had the purpose like, why does it even exist?

Speaker 3: 32:41

It came into being, I think, about 2012, 2014, as a mobile game and it wasn't blockchain enabled. It didn't become blockchain enabled until about 2018 and then, uh, that's when they transitioned to like a pc version of the game, started enabling nfts, blockchain, and the white paper came out in 2020 and, as you can see there, under the purpose, its header was play, create, own, govern, earn, and it describes it as a place where you can build, own, monetize your own gaming experiences using its SAN token and play the game. Underneath that are some quotes from the founders you know Sébastien Bourget, arthur Madrid and then Yat Su, who's chairman of Animoca Brands, and Animoca Brands owns or bought the Sandbox in 2018. It's one of the major reasons why it became blockchain-enabled and so the people interacting with the products, interacting with. The whole purpose of the Sand sandbox is that ecosystem that makes everything go round and round. You know, buying the land but then having people use the game maker and box edit products to build on the land and the the people voting in the dow and playing the game and interacting with each other, and then the whole reason why the sandbox exists as a metaverse game, to empower creators and offer gaming spaces that play like Minecraft. That's what it means to be involved in the sandbox ecosystem. So if you're not a gamer, that's great. You don't have to be a gamer in order to be in the ecosystem. If you're an artist or you're a level designer, a game dev, or maybe you're just a day trader on coins or you just want to vote you're really good at doing business proposals and voting All of those things now have a place in the ecosystem and they can be mutually exclusive, meaning you only be one or you can do multiple things. You can be a gamer and a voter and an avatar owner and all these different stuff.

Speaker 3: 34:54

So the sandbox to me is I went the sandbox versus Decentraland mostly because I saw this ecosystem behind it. Decentral land looked great and I had nothing against the central land. But when I compared the two, what really won out for me in the sandbox was that it looked very inviting to new players. And also, I think, when Airdrop and Network mentioned their kids, sandbox is, of the two, the more kid-friendly version. You know the, just the way it looks and then the way it's moderated and protected.

Speaker 3: 35:31

Um, so there's no, there's no voice chat. Um that you might find in call of duty, where you have to police your kids and that sort of thing. Uh, there are in-game moderators, that kind of check to make sure that conduct is is healthy, and so they kind of police that a little bit more so, and so it looked to me the most inviting of the two, and then the ecosystem behind it was just enormous. So that's the way I kind of introduced the sandbox. I'm by no means a spokesperson for the sandbox, like I said, I'm just a community member. I'm someone who's passionate about you know, existing, I own land, so I buy, I've bought land, I've published experiences like little mini games to the sandbox that people can play and and I I believe in the vision and the mission of it and I want to be a productive community member to where we make it better. So I'll put it there and yeah, thank you.

Speaker 2: 36:31

Yeah, thank you for that, Not trying to move Kunt out the way or nothing, but you should be a community spokesperson. You actually you describe again the ecosystem with very good detail and it's very easy to follow.

Speaker 3: 36:46

And also-.

Speaker 2: 36:47

Thank you.

Speaker 3: 36:48

That's very kind of you to say.

Speaker 2: 36:49

Yes, sir, and even like talking about this again, like I don't think I either asked or caught on to how mature you know the sandbox ecosystem actually is, but that might have been something also that people are learning for the first time.

Speaker 2: 37:04

You know, how long you guys have been around, the fact that you, I guess, do predate well that there was an ecosystem that existed before blockchain and, yeah, it'd be kind of, you know, even you know going through our own journey of onboarding my daughter in the sandbox. It'll kind of be cool to see why you know what that acquisition looked like from Animoca and what they saw in it. Another thing that you mentioned too that was also something that I appreciated and I think is equally important to people in the same position is like, like I said, my daughter loves Minecraft, like she's on it every single day and she's seven, right, and obviously, like a lot of us, are able to see the future. But the people who really benefit from the future are our kids, and being able to onboard you know your kids into this ecosystem, teach them to start building, devving something you know at this age, I think we'll have a substantial benefit on you know, their life and their profitability and the things they can do.

Speaker 2: 38:02

You know Minecraft, which is, you know, something she does for fun and I'm sure is making her smarter but isn't making her richer to somewhere else where, you know, potentially those skills can be monetized, is ideal, but not at the cost of, you know, creepos and weirdos being able to talk to her in the ecosystem, so super. It was very important to me that you guys are, you know, more kid friendly and have moderation and things like that, I guess, to mitigate it. So, yeah, kudos to you guys for that as well.

Speaker 3: 38:31

The GameMaker and the VoxEdit is. I'm no dev, I'm not a programmer, I'm more of a business person, a creative producer. But even I could install GameMaker and Vox Editor and then start clicking buttons to create stuff, even if it was amateur level. The on-ramp this is what's so interesting to me is that the on-ramp for being a developer in the sandbox is no code experience. If you have the eye for it and you learn the mechanics, you can create stuff, and that, to me, was fascinating. You don't have to know C++ or anything like that. It's no code, free software.

Speaker 3: 39:16

And again, this is not an advertisement. I'm not being paid to say this. There's no undisclosed payments or of any kind. It's just my observation for why I exist in this ecosystem in the way that I do, because it it offers as low friction as possible for for people who have no experience. So I would say that this is probably a good way for uh, your, your kids to to on-ramp into development. If in, if, uh, if they have no intention of even playing the game.

Speaker 3: 39:47

It's I don't know. I've never really seen anything like it, which is why I'm so drawn to it. I think it's just the way it all comes together. It's a functioning ecosystem and even though it's an alpha stage right now and you can tell when you play, you can definitely tell that it still has some ways to go in terms of being a fully mature. You know, minecraft killer or Call of Duty or Battlefield killer or whatever it still has ways to go, but in terms of the functioning ecosystem, you can tell there's a vision and a purpose behind it, and the co-founders frequently say their goal is to be the cultural capital of the metaverse, and so part of culture is people being able to onboard themselves and being intuitive and not overly full of barriers to entry. That it takes you two hours to figure out what in the world you're doing. It's not quite like that, and I see them constantly iterating on that to make it easier. Yeah, I could keep going and I'll just stop right there and whatever you'd like to talk about next.

Speaker 2: 41:01

I appreciate it. Like I said, I love the explanations and, again, it's very valuable information. You already had me at. It's almost like Minecraft kind of. The same question to you how do you describe or how do you intend you know, kind of, as you start getting on board people in the network, I'm sure you're going to run across a normie or two. How do you describe to them what the metaverse is and kind of why they, should you know, add it to their list of things to do? List of things to do. Are you there with us, sir?

Speaker 4: 41:46

You guys asking me. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2: 41:48

Yep, yep, we're asking you.

Speaker 3: 41:50

I did more than enough talking network your turn. Yeah, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 4: 41:54

I just had to talk to the developers. They're talking about AI stuff and if it's the right way to behave between an engine. I'm sorry you got back along and you jumped at me. You guys were talking about the culture of the community of building right, so for us?

Speaker 2: 42:12

Yeah, a combination of that and kind of how you intend to onboard people into the metaverse, like what type of conversation do you think that'll look like? You know, the first step to getting people to want any of these things is to get them over here.

Speaker 4: 42:34

Right, right, you know, if you create something that lets people, just, you know, use their imagination without any knowledge and building stuff too much, it's going to already create this kind of wave of people wanting to come and express themselves. Right, plus, like, the question is, how do you make it viral, right? So like, okay, that's great to say. Like, okay, here's a magic tool. We can come and you generate this, generate that. Like kind of back in the time, people look at me like, okay, but now you can see, with generative vi and with all the stuff that is actually happening, just give people the creativity and everybody has it right. So, like I mean, you know, it's argument, uh, it's uh, it's argumentable, like if, uh, me joining and all the stuff, for good or not, but in my opinion, they are, as long as they don't hire artists, right, because you can see the regular joe, or like dergo, mike, whatever call them they they just love it and they just want to create and share and be excited about it. So, kind of like what we did with network is I said to myself okay, what if I'm gonna create something that is not just like, okay, you need to be a programmer, or like a 3D guy, I'm a buff and I know how to create games and how painful it is. But what if anyone can create them right? So, like, instead of just coming there and creating this simple building tool that allows like to create you know, not to AAA visuals in gameplay, I decided, let's just go crazy and let's try to do something that even Unreal Engine itself didn't manage to do. And that's kind of what Network is about. And the reason is that I think that after this kind of tool has been created, it's going to be very hard to stop it, because now you cannot just give somebody like, okay, hey, bro, yeah, go ahead, create a triple a game. I know you want it. It's going to be like, man, I mean, I have this great idea in my head and have this incentive imagination with nudge and everything and uh, but I can come and just create like a triple a looking game and with network it's possible.

Speaker 4: 44:37

So, um, it was uh possible on a certain level, like many years ago when we created uh, when we created the vr version of network. I have uh videos demoing it. We demoed it in the in the export for vr. Actually, many years ago I had even the guy that is now the head of the quantum whatever department in IBM come back then and he tried the VR at Miami Expo and he was like what is this quantum computer doing there? It was funny because I don't know. We decided that it's going to be cool if the first experience is like you're under this, you're in this server room full of like quantum computers and, uh, you know, you can create your vr worlds. So it was uh, it was pretty funky that the guy from ibm was like, hey, this is looking like mine. I was like, what do you want? I have to take inspiration from somewhere. I googled it, you know. I was like. I was like how did you recognize? It's just a hanging chandelier with wires.

Speaker 4: 45:39

Now, anyway, so point is that, uh, I think, uh, I think, uh also, um, you know, before I was saying to myself because ego and everything, I was like, no, it's only going to be my metaverse, I don't care about other projects. But now I'm thinking about it. It it's silly, and also it's like I don't know. It's kind of like it's silly, it's like, okay, you can do it, but like why there's like a bunch of great people behind each project and they have their own way of thinking. Things like, for example, like sandbox, right, they this is, they're passionate about this sandbox stuff that look like minecraft and this stylized way. There's a bunch of artists that are interested in that. There's a bunch of you people that love that part, right, so why not to welcome each, each one of us to to enjoy right in a mutual, um like creation orgy, sorry for the word.

Speaker 4: 46:37

So I think, oh sorry, my other side, it's your tail, tail. I can't now, baby, I can, I'll be with you in a few minutes, okay, okay deal, I love you. So, um, that's awesome. He loves it. By the way, I love all this stuff. Um, you can start. I'll share you later. He's just playing all these games and like talking about it. Um, so, yeah, and with network now, I think, together with like the advanced technologies, finally, after so many years and iterations, and like, there is a new um update for a technology when using this, but the plug-in tm pro for a new engine that allows the finally to use the Lumin and Nanite with the voxel. Just feel like it's. Oh, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 4: 47:26

Yeah, yeah. It's hard to do.

Speaker 4: 47:28

Yes, I mean for them they get the guys that provide the infrastructure for the voxel, like C++ library. It was probably pretty hard to do for us to take that part and all the thing, beautiful thing that they did and create them into uh, you know, um, user tools like sculpting and all this stuff like brown based generation of different biomes and terrains and stuff. That's a different story, but for them they did a great job. I mean I had enough to do. I know them pretty well. The creator of the Voxel PM SDK for Unreal Engine. They're awesome.

Speaker 4: 48:10

We've been with them since well, I think it's eight years already, working with them. I mean not tightly together, but using the technology together. I mean not tightly together, but using the technology together. And I think this time now, together with all this stuff that happens with language models as well, because I'm deep into it as well lately the possibilities for what we can do with our creativity is insane. It's just amazing. I mean we incorporated a llama by Facebook. We retrained it, fine-tuned it and, you know, I don't say easily, but relatively quickly, half a year so managed to made out of it some interesting like, let's say, thing that acts like a smart npc right and we're just noticing that with fine tuning and retraining on the data sets, language models can be converted to do a bunch of tasks. It's pretty amazing. It's pretty um slash, slash easy. I said that compared to how it was like 20 years ago. If you wanted to have a custom made like AI, you know if you can call the AI to do stuff like this, it will be impossible. So we are like very lucky in the technology. So it's like metaverses that we have access now to amazing tools and technologies like this.

Speaker 4: 49:37

Because one thing is that when you create stuff by hand and it's great for people like us that love creating stuff by hand but the other thing is if you want to bring the masses and that's to your question about how do you bring more people into creating metaverses is think about it like a journey. So instead of placing a block by block, you can ask it I want a village, uh saying with like a green sky and, um, a bunch of zombies, and because now it knows how to generate it already on the in terms of like, the architecture of like network, for example, how to generate different terrains, different biomes, how to spawn these for enemies and uh play stuff in the world based on logic that has been already created. Now you can, with a single prompt, basically at least get close to what you want, right, and then go and dive into little details of, or a lot of details of, like tweaking stuff, you know. So it's a big game changer and tools like this are already starting to. You know, spawn for like simple things like web. You know like you can create with prompt and stuff, um, or professional tools for 3d artists also started to have from base, uh, shortcuts, I'm calling like this and the. The other thing is like how we bring the web three we have three creators into the into the space thing is how we bring the Web3 creators into the space, or how do we bring them on board or people that are actually not Web3 but want to create stuff into the Web3 is because of the obvious benefit that they will see.

Speaker 4: 51:13

It's kind of like when you don't know about something, you just don't know about it. But if you hang around with people and suddenly your friends are coming and just like, hey, check it out, man, I got this nice Beamer on the sale and they're like what? And they're going to go and they're going to say where is the store. So, if you think about it, there's a bunch of people playing this one place, playing games, creating, creating stuff, and part of them let's say even, let's say most of them even not like web 3, but let's say that, even like 5% of their web today, right, and it's a hundred thousand users like listen, listen, no crazy, no, go crazy with numbers, but this an amount of users, right, and they will see like, oh, this guy, one FD didn't I did that, this guy, you know, and they're inside this, they're part of those friends, right, they'll be like what is this? What do you mean? It's going to be like kind of spread itself, right? So that's the only way I think it's really going to, you know, become viral because people will like start seeing other people that they know that they're hanging around with using it for creation and getting the benefits of the Web3 world in different terms, if there's a plug, you can NFT your creation In terms of like, yes, you can probably make money on something as well.

Speaker 4: 52:38

Not allowed to say that, but you know, guys, what I mean. This is kind of like, yes, you can probably make money on something as well not allowed to say that. But you know, guys, what I mean, right? So this is kind of like the idea. That's why I don't wanna. I never want to say exclusively no, this is just for three, right and it's. And then it's gonna be like super hard to get.

Speaker 4: 52:50

For people from web 2 I'm saying no, please, people from web 2, come it's, it's, but you can play if you wish. You don't have to do anything. It's freedom for you. But you want like other features, other stuff, or like you want to take the. You want to take the the way of the force, without a guys, please, you can do it. You know, kind of like this, if you, if you know, I mean, this is more like this is the benefits for you guys, instead of like, oh yeah, we're going to try to sell it to you. This is really beneficial. You know all I do, just excessive marketing on something that is not really, it's not going to sell anyway, like why would I do that if I don't see a proof by somebody, I know, by many people, by a lot of community that I'm interacting with, that I actually needed? You know, that's what I think. I think the best education is by showing you know.

Speaker 2: 53:47

Yeah, I totally agree and your platform is super cool. I'm definitely going to dive like a lot further again. We just got introduced today, but anything no code that makes it easier for other people to to get into the metaverse and kind of build their own, that's uh, we're definitely down with that and I think a lot of people are going to have a lot of use for it. So, definitely looking forward to that. Launch Um and then.

Speaker 2: 54:12

Another thing that you guys both illustrated is well, and you definitely illustrated um henceforth, you know, proving the need for something that's easier for people to use in order to mass adopt people is that this space is super techie techie. There's a lot that goes into. You know what the metaverse is. There's a lot going into both understanding what it is I guess it's different things for different people but then understanding how you can build in it, and you know I like how Lanzer explained the multiple levels in which you can participate in the sandbox and it appears you can do the same within network.

Speaker 2: 54:48

One of the things, kind of taking it back to digital identity, and one of the main use cases for digital identity, at least in the Web3 space and blockchain, is to identify or locate, you know the owner of something.

Speaker 2: 55:02

I mean, that's what a lot of us use it for. Pretty simple For those of us outside of you know these virtual metaverse worlds that you know aren't currently building or interacting with them. For some of us, you know, our understanding of what can even be owned on the blockchain might be limited to just NFTs and meme coins. I know a few of us. That's just as far as we've gotten. But in the metaverse, as you guys have mentioned, there's a lot of things that you can own a lot of different ways. You can participate. Some of these things that you can own even act like virtual real estate that can earn you revenue or be the home base for a project. If you want to chime in first network and then let's go to Lancer, can you give us some example of some of those things that you could potentially own and use within these metaverses?

Speaker 4: 55:49

Yeah, sure. So one of the things that we already people already purchased the NFT in the metaverse is, for example, like yes, one thing is, as you said. Well, I mean, I bet everybody here knows already, but, uh, you know, back in the time, you own that nft. Great, it's just just like an image, right, which is awesome, by the way, it depends I mean, I'm from the art aspect. I think it's a huge by itself, right, um, but in in the case of uh, of network, for example, and out of other projects, um, people that bought nfts from us we released already, like two years ago, we released this uh, free to play, a free to earn game, whatever day, I'm sorry, after hospital, and then, uh, then you basically could, uh, it was nft gated, so you would log into the game, you connect your wallet and then you could play with your NFT avatar, which is, by itself, you know just the fact that you don't aim or just own a picture, but you actually have a 3D identity let's call it this right, based on what you preferred when you purchased the NFT right. And then, also in this release, we're going to have vehicles, which is, people that bought NFT vehicles from images. They saw how their, for example, yachts is going to look like, or like motorcycles and cars, and now in this release, in a week, they will be able finally to use it in the metaverse, to traverse with it. That's one thing. And now to more like, and this is like I know this is not like the most advanced thing you can think about because it's like okay, fine, so now I don't just own a picture, but I can actually use it. But what does it make for me? Okay, yes, it is fun, great. But what if I'm not a gamer? Right, for example, right. So if you're not a gamer, right, for example, right. So if you're not a gamer, obviously, just the fact that you actually now own something that might not be even available in the market anymore. And let's say, another game or another another, do this to the metaverse. He wants this bike, he's like a man, I really want to drive this bike, god damn it. But it's not, it's not available anymore. You will want to buy it, right, um, so, um. And then then, basically, suddenly you have value that you just didn't just purchase, um, like a virtual vehicle or an avatar, but suddenly, unlike, unlike before, where other games, you could not resell your um, you know your digital item for for, like actually something that you can take out Now you can do it On top of it also.

Speaker 4: 58:23

People purchase land in the United States of Islands and the benefit of it is that, well, we have, like, different districts, we have business, adult, we have education, we have a bunch of districts, and let's just say that right now there is a map and there are districts and there's real estates and people bought it in different places on the map and the JSRN is not active yet, so it's not open. But when it will be open, let's just say that we bring a partner or a partner or somebody, but already some space, which is both true in our case and then that guy is like he makes something super popular on this parcel, right, basically, it attracts a lot of people to that place. So now your real estate next to it, basically visual real estate, is becoming more expensive. Why? It's not just because of uh, you know, hype or with because of um trends I forgot, it's called speculative here. It's actually um, materialistically becomes more popular because now let's say that somebody wants to to buy it from you and it wants to put like a visual advertising there. Boom, I can make more money.

Speaker 4: 59:44

Somebody else who is the competitor of this Nike, whatever. I'm just saying he wants to put his shoe, or like sport or not a competitor, somebody who's related to like sportswear? I'm just saying he wants to have the best spot. He's going to buy the real estate from you, right, because it's next to the place where most users go in order to target your target audience, right? So the metaverse real estate now is an actual real estate that has a value I mean, aside of the fact you cannot really go and eat there or something, but it it's now. Maybe in the future we will, and that's huge, right, because this is something that's not been possible in other multiplayer games before that, not just network in general before, before the idea of virtual real estate across metaverses, and that's huge by itself.

Speaker 4: 1:00:39

And I mean derived out of it, we also see different use cases. We're not fixated on like, oh, this is what you're going to do, and this is what you're going to do, because, yes, we could say like okay, yeah, now I have your real estate, you can rent there, you have a car, you can drive it, you can Uber it, you can like yeah, man, I mean, there's so many ideas, right, but I think the basis that there is an ability to uh basically um transfer this, um you know, information that you bought, like actual, like products or whatever that you actually use, and exchange it. Plus, you can um leverage, like the growth of uh something and and, based on that, it will benefit the growth of what you have already, like real estate and and nft than anything. This is like the underlying, uh, let's say, foundation that you want to see. That is like ticking and working well, which you can see already right in games, in games like Curriculum for Unlocked Sandbox and other stuff.

Speaker 4: 1:01:40

But Sandbox is very famous in that, on top of that, we want to hear what the user has to say. But because we had a lot of great ideas like what, if you have a yacht, can you, you know, rent it for tours? Why not? Well, so I mean. But basically, if that summarizes a little bit or, like it looks, explains, there's so many, so many possibilities to do things in the metaverse.

Speaker 4: 1:02:05

My opinion with WebTree that what I tried to do here with answering is give you a general idea of like the potential and just to make sure that it comes across as like there it's first step. First step is let's make the land and the real estate work well and let's make people finally have, uh, fun and and and and value from buying, nfts, exchanging and, if this, creating in the metaverse, and from there there will be, you know, other multiple use cases that we will hear from people as well, because we're also all about what the community wants, the DAO and, in general, what people will figure out, as long as it's not anything funky. That's my take on it.

Speaker 2: 1:02:55

Yeah, if everybody hasn't gotten it yet, the metaverse is kind of like this whole other world and there's definitely a lot to explore. And again for us on Web3, you know, one of the most important things and you know kind of the ethos of Web3 and blockchain in general is ownership. So thank you for those examples and go for it, langer, if you can bring out some of the things that you can own and do in the sandbox and then we're going to get into kind of a little bit of the meat a little briefly and then we're going to wrap up. We usually try to keep the space between an hour and a half. We do do this as a podcast and we like to keep it digestible. I do want to thank both of you guys. You guys have dropped a wealth of knowledge. Thank you for everybody who is tuning in live. Again, if you could like and retweet as you come in. Thank you guys for being here and if you have any questions, feel free to ask them in the bubble. But yeah, go for it, lancer.

Speaker 3: 1:03:46

Yeah, some of the things that exist within the sandbox that you can own and associate with identity, most of it is within the marketplace. When I dropped, I think, I finally figured out how to do a pen thing, so I send out podcast number 31. If you want to get a little bit deeper into it, that's the intro to the sandbox ecosystem where I go into more depth into what you can do. But one of the other things I penned earlier I was talking to you about the sandbox ecosystem where the people, product, purpose and ecosystem picture. So some of the the main things that you can you can do is the many different layers that exist within the sandbox you can either own or interact with as a part of your identity. And and some examples of that is the land that you play on when you join an experience, whether it be a mini game, um, like you're, you're trying like fall guys, we're trying to avoid falling down the disappearing platform blocks. Or you're trying to cook a meal inside of a kitchen mini game or an obstacle course you play on like temple run or whatever it may be. That game that that level that you play on, is owned by a landowner and that landowner, uh, has that nft on the blockchain? So that's the very first thing is, is what you play on is owned by someone. So, like, like your building, when you walk into a building in a mall, that mall is owned by someone who owns the land. The mall that you walk into, the building was built by someone, most of which is minted on the blockchain somewhere. So the tree that you're looking at doesn't have to be, but a lot of times it's an asset on the blockchain. It doesn't have to be, but a lot of times it's an asset on the blockchain. The chair that you sit down on, or the walls that you see, all of it was built by someone and, if they choose to, they can mint that on the blockchain. Then also the sword that you swing, or the shoes that you wear, or the equipables, the props, those were designed by an artist who could, if they choose, also mint that on the blockchain.

Speaker 3: 1:06:05

And so you have these different interaction layers, even the avatar that you walk around with, like I mentioned earlier, world of Women or 48 Yacht Club, If you have any of those avatars, a number of them have a I don't remember what they call like like a bridge, where, if you, if you join the sandbox game, a lot of these avatars that you have, you can. Odds are you can probably use at least one of them free, so you're not paying anything extra, or you can create an avatar free of charge on the sandbox and again, I'm not a sandbox person. This is just me telling you my experience and my interactions with it, and I'm not making anything from this either. So those interaction layers also connect with your digital identity, especially when you start getting involved in the DAO or if you're a podcaster or if you're a streamer.

Speaker 3: 1:07:08

A number of community members within the sandbox choose to reveal themselves to varying degrees of either full-on revealing who they are, linking their LinkedIn profile, or having their Twitter be the profile picture, be their face, and so you start to see those layers of digital identity mesh with their real identity. Like Sebastian Bourget, for instance, who is the co-founder, he goes to all the conferences. He was just at Token 49. They're in Dubai right now. He frequently posts on his profile a picture of himself and the rest of the Sandbox team and he goes by the name Sebastian Bourget. So you know who he really is in real life as someone who runs the Sandbox Game Company and, to varying degrees, other people in the Sandbox community do the same. So myself and my podcast thumbnails you'll see my real face, whereas right now you see my little avatar, and so it's not super difficult to figure out who I really am, and I've designed that intentionally that way.

Speaker 3: 1:08:26

And it just there's a slow. There's a slow evolution of full anonymity, which is what a lot of us were born into. When it comes to, you know, the slow emergence of if you were here before the web, the internet was big, or before Twitter was a thing, back when MySpace was a thing, a lot of anonymity was. Anonymous was the way to go, just to protect yourself from all of the bad things that could happen. But as the internet becomes more immersed with your daily life, you kind of bad things that could happen. But as the internet becomes more immersed with your daily life, I felt that urge to reveal myself a little bit more.

Speaker 3: 1:09:08

And now that the Sandbox has a DAO where you could propose business proposals asking for thousands, hundreds of thousands, sometimes millions of USS dollars, that's the thing that the ApeCoin DAO is grappling with right now as well. They had a billion-dollar budget when they began some years ago. Now they're down to a little over $100 million, and some of these proposers are requesting hundreds of millions of US dollars, are requesting hundreds of millions of US dollars, and with that comes an expectation that we're not just sending money to a scam a really good scam artist. So you've seen the emergence of people, reveal who they are, to instill trust and confidence that, yes, this is a real thing. I'm a real business person with a real business plan, and here's the return on investment that I believe we can give back to the DAO if you vote yes on my proposal.

Speaker 3: 1:10:04

It's the same thing with the Sandbox DAO, where we deal with 15.5 million sand, which is about anywhere from six to $9 million, depending on how it's trading a day, and so, as you want to request money from the DAO, there's more of an urge and a pull to integrate your real identity with your digital identity, because how else is the community going to trust that? You are who you say you are and you are going to deliver what you say you're going to deliver? That's what the sandbox is grappling with right now, because the DAO is only five months old and the game has been in existence since 2018 as a blockchain metaverse game. So that's the give and take that exists within our ecosystem right now of how do we deal with real identities versus digital identities, and it really helps that the founder is so open with their identity and I think that's that's.

Speaker 1: 1:11:02

It's given a good on-ramp for those who choose to do it themselves.

Speaker 3: 1:11:08

Go ahead network.

Speaker 4: 1:11:10

I'm also open. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3: 1:11:14

No, it's okay, it's totally fine, I'm also open.

Speaker 4: 1:11:17

I said you see, I'm here, I just tried to add humor, but I agree with you 100 percent. I think that this transparency thing, it's something that's very lacking in a lot of crypto projects. I have a friend and he came to me and he had a crypto project. He said man, I'm anonymous and I don't know. I told him bro, you're going to continue being anonymous, You're going to stay just a side, fishy little business, right? I mean, it's stupid. People need to wake up and understand that. They need to trust, right, Because at the end of the day, the company and the people that come and say, hey, I'm here doing this thing for me, I'm doing this thing for the community, for the success of my business, your business, you need to. When you see that they're legit and they put themselves on the line, people will come. I trust that it's a problem with the Web2 community. On the Web3 community, they're like who's that? It's not a Dogecoin or something? Yeah, exactly, I back you up 100%.

Speaker 3: 1:12:25

It's like that build it and they will come. Mantra. And for those of you who have been in the crypto space for a while now, you, you saw it happen where the rise of the anonymous founders and so many rugs uh, they call it rugs Now, the kids call it rugs nowadays. Uh, back then we used to call it scams.

Speaker 3: 1:12:46

You know, and there's so much terminology now that I've had to catch myself up with with people saying so much terminology, now that I've had to catch myself up with with people saying you know web, web, three terms but you know, like the, the bit connect thing, or the, the one coin, just people who have been indicted by various government agencies for scamming for tens and hundreds of millions of dollars, just like it's created an atmosphere where that, that trustless system that we all thought was going to happen.

Speaker 3: 1:13:12

Well, maybe we need a little bit more trust than we thought and for each DAO community we can choose to what degree we want that trust to be or we want it to be anonymous, and that's kind of the cool thing I've seen in Web3. Even though in many cases some bad things have happened and people have lost money and scams, there's also been kind of like a maturing of our space, where we've chosen to what degree are we comfortable being real with each other and transparent, and and we're still trying to figure that out to this day so that sandbox is no different. And yeah, man, that's, that's my answer.

Speaker 2: 1:13:51

Yeah, you definitely made a huge point, especially going into and we talked about this a little bit as well, and I'm sure me and a lot of other people that are on this space have talked about it in some capacity but, even that your real world identity and how it will eventually tie into your blockchain identity, and how the two will be relevant and will be an asset tie into your blockchain identity, and how the two will be relevant and will be an asset it's like you were mentioning, like it's ridiculous to think that there was a time where you know people did come on the blockchain and just raise millions of dollars without anyone ever knowing who they were, and then you know they go figure, some of them rubbed. Of course they did. So it's definitely important for big ecosystems. If you don't already have digital identity or some sort of mechanism to verify who the people are that are interacting with, building and requesting money from you, if you don't already have one, you should be thinking about it now because, again, we're in a different world and as we continue to evolve and standards change and, as you said, our maturity changes, we're going to start looking for more things inside of a person's digital identity to qualify them for basically being the custodians of our money, exactly?

Speaker 2: 1:15:02

Yeah, I wanted to ask and, kind of, as we start to get down to the end of the space, I wanted to get now specifically into what identity looks like in the sandbox. As you explained, there's two different ecosystems. You have both the DAO. That then governs the part of the ecosystem against people who aren't in the DAO or, in the financial aspects of the game, people who just want to play are in. There's, I think, as I understood it, different types of identity. There's a username that is within the sandbox DAO ecosystem, which is actually bigger than just sandbox as well as when it comes to, like, governance and voting and stuff like that.

Speaker 2: 1:15:45

I believe that you guys still resolve and utilize ENS there. So kind of wanted to ask you what identity does look like in the sandbox, kind of when each is used and how others interact with it Specifically. I think it's kind of easier for us to figure out the ENS part, but wanted to talk specifically about the sandbox usernames, like kind of how you interact with it, what it's good for, used for it, are they on chain, off chain? Also, is there a secondary market for them?

Speaker 3: 1:16:16

yeah, that's the first one, first, because I'll forget that one. So the secondary markets is open sea. They just announced magic, eden's partnership and and, uh, some blur some of the avatars. But so there is quite a bit of secondary market trading for the sandbox, especially when it comes to land and NFT ownership.

Speaker 3: 1:16:38

But what does identity look like in the sandbox Specifically? What it looks like is you have a mixture of on-chain and off-chain, and most of the off-chain is secondary stuff. So the on-chain is you create a username within the sandbox, so just like you would anywhere else in any other game, and that username is specific to the sandbox. However, where you start to connect identities across different layers of Web3 is you then associate that username with a wallet and then that wallet wallet, especially if you have an ENS, like a dot ETH account, that wallet, whenever you do on-chain activity, like you, you claim a chest in the sandbox, which will? You know there there's a transaction that comes with that and when you you register that transaction, anyone who sees your wallet associated with that action if you have an ENS, it'll show.

Speaker 3: 1:17:37

as you know, lancereth, which is mine, and so you'll see lancereth and all the stuff that's been happening and what I've claimed and all that jazz. And so your username is connected to your ENS and if you go to a sandbox profile you can see anyone's wallet. So it'll link you to them and so that's one connection. And then you have the landownerships, so any sort of NFT that you own. On the Sandbox map you can click on any parcel and see which wallet owns that. And if you know their Sandbox profile, you can then have a connection to their NFT wallet, what land they own and their sandbox username. And so, if you keep on going down that line, you can elect to publish your profile links, so your social media, like your Twitter accounts and all that sort of stuff. You can list that on your, your sandbox profile. And then you have the dow, which is a forum. It's a discourse forum and you create a username there. You don't link your wallet there, but you can link your sandbox username.

Speaker 3: 1:18:48

So there's this kind of it's not fully integrated as of yet, there's no one button. Uh, there's no dap. Let's call it to where you log in with your, your wallet, and then it connects everything. I don't think that exists as of yet that I've seen in other projects. I think the closest we got is maybe Snapshot, and then the DAO uses the Snapshot. So if you know someone's wallet and their Sandbox username, you can normally connect their identity with whatever they've publicly revealed, and that's kind of what it is right now. It's kind of this mixture of things all connected together and linked together, but there's no one identity layer yet that you can export across Web3, unless you're using your ENS.

Speaker 3: 1:19:43

Did I answer the question.

Speaker 2: 1:19:45

Actually, yes, you did, and just something I wanted to highlight as well. Again, thank you for explaining that in such an easy way to follow. Some people, when listening, will hear the it's not one identity that connects everything and then they'll feel some kind of way about it. Right, that well, a? I look forward to continuing to see how this works out and kind of either stays the same and continues to co-evolve or may evolve into something that maybe you guys just feel like. Eventually you have to give that one identity to serve the opportunity that, or highlight the fact that a lot of ecosystems in the future may end up being set up that way, depending on what kind of benefit you know that brings to ecosystems like yours. And, with that being said, that leaves closed-loop naming systems that are developed internally by you know DApps and platforms that may work in conjunction with you know the larger interoperable we-own-the-world naming systems like ENS. But yeah, so how you guys.

Speaker 3: 1:21:02

I forgot to mention I'm sorry, I forgot to mention the KYC, the Know your Customer, so an order in the sandbox. What they started doing about two years ago is, in order for you to claim, like a reward, like a sand drop, a sand token drop, or to claim a sword that you get, you now have to KYC, know your customer. So you have to, in your sandbox profile on the website, submit your ID and then you're revealed to the Sandbox team so that's not publicly revealed. It's just one of those KYC things that you normally see now on exchanges, only for the Sandbox specifically, and if you're a business, you can now KYB, which is you know, submit your articles of incorporation where your business is registered. And so for all the people who are studios that own lots of land and developers who develop that land on GameMaker and VoxEdit, that mechanism has existed for a little while now, and so that's an extra layer of external identity that they're trying to weave together into one thing.

Speaker 2: 1:22:16

Yeah, we will see how that all works out as well. And yeah, the KYC KYB thing. Also, I see the point of holding that kind of information, like I said, at the DApp or platform level, not really exposing that information to the entire blockchain. Same question to you, but kind of different how will you uh be uh integrating digital identity, and what type of just identity will you guys be incorporating into networks, sir?

Speaker 4: 1:22:45

um, I kind of feel like okay, so it really depends. Okay, like, let's say, you want to access content that is maybe mature or something that is like, I'm sorry, like in this case, bro, I want to protect the kid, right, so I will need to see. For me, it's not going to be enough like, yes, I am a grown up, no, I will need to see something. I need a KYC or I need a transaction, even a credit card transaction, and approval, right, approval, you know. I mean like for the protection. But if you're running an affiliate, for example, that's a different story. Right, affiliate to one thing legally, as maybe you know, they can get reimbursed for their stuff and stuff.

Speaker 4: 1:23:26

So it's going to be very different per case, right? If you just want to go and hang out and like be in the metaverse and uh, stuff, I don't mind, you can be anonymous if you want. So it's like I don't want to force anyone to have, like everybody have the same thing, right, it all depends on, like your preference, kind of. In my, in my opinion, this is the best thing to do it, but maybe it will change. Maybe, I don't know, maybe the community will say, hey, guys, maybe this is the best thing to do it, but maybe it will change. Maybe, I don't know, maybe the community will say, hey guys, maybe this is the best way. Maybe the industry will show. But for now, because everybody's just really started to form in terms of the metaverses and everything, I already have my. I said like be with my ears open to see, like what's working the best for the people. If that's the question we're talking about, maybe I didn't understand exactly like what was the question.

Speaker 2: 1:24:26

Yeah, and I do appreciate how you were answering the question, not necessarily too far off, but more specifically and this was kind of just to wrap up the space, one of the thoughts I want to leave people with digital identity as it currently exists or in the context in which I'm speaking of it, relates to, like ownable blockchain domain names such as, like ENS and Stabable, a free name that resolved to blockchain addresses and hints identify you on the blockchain. Will you be incorporating any of those naming systems into network?

Speaker 4: 1:24:59

Okay. So yes, sorry, I just didn't understand what you're saying before. I'm sorry, I didn't understand how you know, I'm sorry, my English. So, yes, I think it's huge. I think like to have your own, I would say like a URL. I'm just saying the URL, but for the metaverse in Web3 or something. This is great.

Speaker 4: 1:25:20

We've been thinking about it and it's very interesting. We have some plans about it. How are we going to do it? Which platform we're going to use for that?

Speaker 4: 1:25:31

It's still questionable in, I'm sorry, but definitely I think that this is a huge opportunity and there's a lot of things we can do because of blockchain technology plus, because of just this whole notion and this is like, just just the idea of having a parallel digital world is something that's been there for so many years, you know, and the fact that now, thanks to blockchain, thanks to unreal engine or other technologies and nvidia thanks god for them that they did all these beautiful things and hopefully us, we do something to to, you know, stitch between all this stuff, this is possible, and not talking even about the AI rights and all the crazy stuff they got to do with the metaverse and blockchain we're going to, we're going to face so many new territories here that definitely just to say that, hey, let's leave the URL and this identity, just use the one from the old world that obviously we can see that it is not well-working. It well works for people that are like corporations, for people that are oversaturated. Body that everything, and we see definitely things that can be done so much better in the. In regards of like owning, um, you know, domains in the metaverse, in owning domains in a smarter way that can protect better, right, because of blockchain and all this stuff, that I, I 100 can tell you guys that in network and I hear also already in sandbox, we will take it differently. So we, we definitely I'm with you on that.

Speaker 4: 1:27:18

I think that domains and uh, all this, uh, you know the names for, for places in the metaverse, in in a, in the visual space, is something that cannot be just thrown away Like, oh yeah, it's enough innovation because we're creating a metaverse with interaction between NPCs and businesses, but we're just not going to leverage the amazing opportunity to improve on that aspect as well. I think it's very exciting. If that answers the question.

Speaker 2: 1:27:53

This is my take on it. Yes, sir, it definitely does, and thank you for the answer. I do want to once again thank both of you guys also for coming up on the tech talk. It really has been very informative. I do want to wrap up by saying, you know, for those of you who are listening back, I just want to wrap up by saying you know, for those of you who are listening back, you know, think of the metaverse as either one big online playground where you can do anything, from build, you know, virtual worlds and play games, to a place where you can participate in them.

Speaker 2: 1:28:22

You know, going back to digital identity, especially in that space, as I said earlier, you know, I think in a digital world, digital identity is where it would certainly make the most sense. You know we speak every day about where it would make sense externally, outside of the metaverse, but at least there, you know, it should be pretty easy to make that equation. But at least there, you know, it should be pretty easy to make that equation. Who you are, you know, what's yours can and will be shown digitally in Web3 through your on-chain identity. So if you're building here, it's important that people are able to find out who those builders are.

Speaker 2: 1:29:05

You know, you said a lot of times when you were explaining, you know, about the assets that exist in the sandbox. You said someone that was the word that you used a lot someone or the artist that someone or the artist is. In order for them to continue to build or expand or become truly the superstar who they are, you're going to need to, at some point, be identified and be identified easy. And yeah, digital identity is here to do that. Again, the digital version of you can be worth a lot in the future. So no time like the present to start building and discovering where it has the most value, which may actually be in the metaverse. Yeah, absolutely yes, sir, before we wrap up, wrap up I want to give you guys an opportunity to share any last words. If you're building anything bullish on anything, yeah, let's give a couple minutes to each of you to let us know.

Speaker 4: 1:29:59

And again, thank you guys for being here well, before I give you the right to start, I just want to say it was really a pleasure as well to be here, because it's cool. I really like the conversation and I like you guys because you sound very passionate about it. That's cool. I get a lot of this, you know, invites to interview with the names and I'm just like watching them before and I'm like, man, no, I don't want to go there. The guy sounds like boring or like they're not really into it. You know and I'm not saying that I'm not boring, yeah, I'm just, it's my opinion. But my point, I'm saying, is like I enjoy it.

Speaker 3: 1:30:35

You're not boring, not at all.

Speaker 4: 1:30:37

Okay, okay, thanks, thanks. So you go ahead, and then I'll say what I because I'm still working on integrating a new material into the from the marketplace into the project. Go, you go.

Speaker 2: 1:30:54

He's turning the from the marketplace into the project going to go. Let's turn to the floor. Over to you, Langer, sir.

Speaker 3: 1:30:58

I think the only thing I'd like to end with is that I've been kind of slow to reveal. I say that in 2016, back when a lot of the big scams were happening, like Big Connect and all that, I started podcasting even then, and so I guess you could say I in some ways revealed my digital identity even back then, when I was doing a podcast on kind of fact-checking all of the lending platforms that most of them turned out to be Ponzi schemes and scams, say, hey, there's just not a lot of stuff making sense. And then seeing that evolve over to now where we have DAOs that are seeking to have people voluntarily show their credentials and whereas back then it was, you know, there was a lot of forces working against something like that. And I've watched the space evolve over the years and it's been really fascinating to see how we've, in some cases, matured. In other cases the space is turned into something much more um it's it's much less anonymous than what we originally set out to do and and we kind of learned it's just like in life that when you what, what you idealize it to be and what it turns out to be is very different things, and so with that comes a maturity which you can choose to or not. Choose to, like in the sandbox. You could still choose to be anonymous if you'd like, completely, you don't have to KYC if you don't want to, and so. But there are certain things that the community is choosing to say. Well, if you want to be anonymous, that's great, that's fine, but there are certain parts of things that we won't be able to trust you with because of the this.

Speaker 3: 1:33:00

The scale of magnitude and the severity of of if, if it doesn't turn out to be what we thought it was and I think that's been the most surprising thing of all is I. I didn't 10 years ago I wouldn't have expected that this is where we would end up. Uh, I I had a feeling that it was gonna be a lot less, you know, militant toward, toward um, protecting your identity and you know, don't tread on me and I'm not gonna reveal anything about myself and totally anonymous. I had a feeling that we wouldn't end up there, but didn't think that it would turn into a, a um, almost like a, an on online Facebook in some cases where you are online LinkedIn that's probably a better way to say it Like a web three LinkedIn sort of thing where you champion your credentials in order to be trusted with community resources. Um, that's, that's not something I expected until recently, when I saw dallas crop up in a in a big way.

Speaker 3: 1:34:03

So I'm just along for the ride like everyone else, just trying to figure it out, trying to exist and within an ecosystem that we're all still trying to figure out what the rules are, and I'm loving it. I'm loving, whether it be the Sandbox or Forbes, web3 or ApeCoin, dow or Mochaverse, and now Network our illustrious guest with me and it's just, it's cool, I'm loving it. I'm loving. This is the place I want to be in. So that's why it feels like sometimes I'm a walking advertisement. It's just. I enjoy this part of Web3 and being able to communicate with community business gaming what have you? And, yeah, thank you for your time. Thanks for having me, man, it's awesome.

Speaker 4: 1:34:59

I also. I dig it. I mean, I love communication with people and stuff, especially with everyone, honestly, but especially in a creative environment and something so innovative like we're trying to do here. Right, it's like not to communicate and hide and not meet in person in like conventions and like in parties or whatever, just like what's the point? Kind of like. You know, it's so sterile, I cannot do it and I'm getting like. You know, just something funny before I, before I leave and got to do with this, right, I remember once we got into the, the industry, people tell oh man, it, oh man, it's like the wild west, you need to be careful.

Speaker 4: 1:35:33

You know, it was like seven years ago I don't know how many years ago Linus probably remember better lines to my partner, but we've been in a face it's working like four or five years, I think where you know funds are ended and we need more fund investment Anyway.

Speaker 4: 1:35:51

So I so I got some some, I got somebody on telegram and then, yeah, listen, no problem, you just come to italy, crypto stuff, you know we'll meet up, we will talk about investment and and I went there and, uh, everybody told me mike, which is doing, bro, this year, anything you got to do with crypto man and italy. It's dangerous, bro, because people be. I'm like, no way, come on, what's. I come there anyway. And then, and then somebody told me like, bro, don't do it today is dangerous. I'm like, come on, man, what can happen? And then this guy tells me like listen, dude, and I found out that those guys want to meet up and they want to exchange. They wanted to bring a wallet with bitcoins, so they want me to help them exchange we don't you know the town to money that they wanted to bring in a suitcase. And I'm in freaking Italy and I'm running out of smart in real life.

Speaker 4: 1:36:41

So that's funny. It was fun enough. I know, I know. But my character, you know, I need to do anything to, to, to make sure that the company continues with my wife is like. I told my wife it's like eh, it's okay, I trust you, you can handle it. They're like okay. So I'm in Italy. And then the guys, the guy that I know there, you know what, mike, don't worry, I have these friends, they can help you exchange money. I'm like what? What did it actually mean? The column is the way. I told them that they can truck. I'm like what? And then I'm like the guy is like I was like bro, I don't know. I was like I'm not. You know what, I'm gonna prank him back. Then I texted him no problem, man, I had his columbia, columbian guys, they can come with me. And they disappeared. This was funny. Funny, but not funny. Don't try. Don't try it at home, don't try it at home you're already doing james bond stuff yeah, but you know, gotta do what I gotta do, right?

Speaker 4: 1:37:34

yes, sir yes, sir.

Speaker 3: 1:37:36

Yeah, it was scary to begin with and coming out of the web3 shell, but now it feels a little bit more normal, like you would meet someone in real life and shake their hand, say hi, hello, how are you? There's just a little bit more you got to worry about when it comes to wallets and hacking and don't ever put your seed phrase online, ever anywhere, sort of thing, it's just a little bit more rules we got to pay attention to so that you're safe.

Speaker 4: 1:38:01

Exactly, especially the what is called no safe or whatever this wallet that you can add several people to sign up. It's the best.

Speaker 3: 1:38:09

Oh yeah, like a multi-sig.

Speaker 4: 1:38:10

Oh my god, always the multi-sig oh, my god always yeah, yeah, so so yeah wind airdrop.

Speaker 3: 1:38:15

Thank you for for having us on man. I really appreciated being able to talk, to talk this yeah yeah, I want a bar

Speaker 2: 1:38:24

yeah, definitely, uh, I I really do appreciate both you guys for being on. Again, thank you to to everybody who did get a chance to listen live. Once again, I wanted to remind anybody who may have tapped in, you know, towards the middle or the end, you can listen back to the spaces, not only here on Twitter, but we will upload it to our podcast the next couple of days. So if you've got Apple, spotify, I heart radio, any of those podcast apps I think we're on pretty much all of them You'll be able to find us at the iHeartDomains Tech Talk or you'll be able to find us at iHeartDomainscom, where this will be accompanied with a blog review. Again, we're going to continue this conversation another day with some more guests.

Speaker 2: 1:39:10

I'm excited to keep expanding on this. Again, for those of you who are actively building with digital identity whether you're investing in individual names or you're in either free name or decentralized or whatever and you're building on your TLDs, these are great spaces for you to kind of figure out where your community may lie and how you can integrate them and add some more profitability to your naming protocol. So, yeah, good to continue to have these conversations and show what digital identity really incorporates into everything. Again, it's kind of a no-brainer that it would incorporate into the metaverse and, like you were saying, now, I'm glad that we've gotten to a point where and how it should be, where your identity is your badge of honor, unless you're a weirdo.

Speaker 2: 1:39:52

So, yeah, I want to close this space by saying thank you to all of you. You can, if you're not already following us here on X, we invite you to do so. Follow us on Warpcast. If you're not already on Warpcast, I'm going to say it every space. Shame on you if you haven't joined yet. A lot of good stuff for builders and people who want to explore the base ecosystem on Warcast. And then also, of course, you can listen back to this recording here in the future. And, yeah, focus on your mission, not your condition. Everybody, have a great week and we'll see you next week. Thank you for this tech talk.

Speaker 4: 1:40:23

Thanks guys, appreciate it. Thanks everybody.

Speaker 3: 1:40:25

That was fun.

Speaker 4: 1:40:27

Yep Me doing this one in the middle of us. You know, yep me doing this one in the middle of us.

Speaker 3: 1:40:30

Good luck. Good luck over there network.

Speaker 4: 1:40:32

All right, see you there, bro Cheers.

Speaker 2: 1:40:36

Y'all have a great day.